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01-19-2019, 02:04 PM
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Less than an hour for the big statement!!!!
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01-19-2019, 02:18 PM
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Originally Posted by elysiantraveller View Post
I agree you can only beat what's in front of you. But electoral math doesn't change...
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This should be read by many here who still have no idea how presidential elections in this country work.
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01-19-2019, 02:19 PM
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#528
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Originally Posted by elysiantraveller
I mean if I was a Democrat and Trump was offering Amnesty/Citizenship for $5 billion I think you'd be pretty ****ing stupid not to take it...
I doubt that is what is being offered today.
If it is I think most people would say he lost the battle... even those in his own party... the fact he is negotiating now over the same points that were suggested weeks ago is an indication he's lost this fight.
Its pretty obvious you care more about me being wrong than actually anything else though... that's cute.
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how could you think he would be loosing the battle. He is essentially giving up nothing that hasn’t been going on forever. DACA is a mute point
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01-19-2019, 02:19 PM
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Originally Posted by davew
Nancy was going to take her trip with influential dims to Brussels, .., Afghanistan on commercial airlines. But now they can't because she says Trump leaked to the world they were going and it is no longer safe.
..... build a wall ....
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No real enemy of the US would ever allow harm to come to Nancy Pelosi or a planeload of democrats.
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01-19-2019, 02:24 PM
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Originally Posted by elysiantraveller
I mean if I was a Democrat and Trump was offering Amnesty/Citizenship for $5 billion I think you'd be pretty ****ing stupid not to take it...
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Democrats could get DACA without Trump.
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01-19-2019, 02:25 PM
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Originally Posted by chadk66
how could you think he would be loosing the battle. He is essentially giving up nothing that hasn’t been going on forever. DACA is a mute point
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Ummm... wut...?
You should probably read up a bit on some of the key issues of immigration reform before we continue...
In other news they've moved the presser back as Republicans and the White House aren't even on the same page with a "deal" that is DOA with Democrats anyway...
Talk about embarrassing...
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Last edited by elysiantraveller; 01-19-2019 at 02:27 PM.
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01-19-2019, 02:25 PM
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I say.....
America is the Greatest!!!
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01-19-2019, 02:26 PM
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Originally Posted by TJDave
Democrats could get DACA without Trump.
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Nah...
Republicans want to horse trade DACA...
Just not for a stupid $5 billion dollar wall...
This fight is showing the dysfunction inside the GOP (Trump included) and uniting the Democrats.
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01-19-2019, 02:32 PM
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WP:
Trump had indicated for weeks that he would not entertain an extension of DACA, which began in 2012 under President Obama and has offered renewable work permits to immigrants, known as “Dreamers,” who entered the country illegally as children. Trump had said he was hoping the Supreme Court would hear an appeal to a lower court’s injunction on his attempt to end DACA and, if the high court ruled in his favor, that ending the program would give him more leverage in talks with Democrats over the future of the Dreamers.
But the Supreme Court signaled Friday that it might not take the case. That would mean that Trump would remain unable to end DACA, which covers about 700,000 immigrants, and some Dreamer groups have called on Democrats not to cut a deal for the wall.
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01-19-2019, 02:34 PM
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Originally Posted by reckless
The article centered on manufacturing jobs -- are they the same manufacturing jobs you said will never return??
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Manufacturing jobs that were replaced by automation will never return. You keep scoffing at that but never offer any scenario where a robot would be replaced by a human on an assembly line.
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01-19-2019, 02:36 PM
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Originally Posted by elysiantraveller
Reconcile these two statements... made in the same post...
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Consistency? We don't need no stinking consistency!
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01-19-2019, 02:38 PM
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Originally Posted by TJDave
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Trump had indicated for weeks that he would not entertain an extension of DACA, which began in 2012 under President Obama and has offered renewable work permits to immigrants, known as “Dreamers,” who entered the country illegally as children. Trump had said he was hoping the Supreme Court would hear an appeal to a lower court’s injunction on his attempt to end DACA and, if the high court ruled in his favor, that ending the program would give him more leverage in talks with Democrats over the future of the Dreamers.
But the Supreme Court signaled Friday that it might not take the case. That would mean that Trump would remain unable to end DACA, which covers about 700,000 immigrants, and some Dreamer groups have called on Democrats not to cut a deal for the wall.
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It is ridiculous that a program started by EO cannot be ended by EO.
For this reason, I am 100% opposed to DACA for anyone.
IF these people are smart, motivated, and future assets to our nation, left them F* go back home and fix thier own shit-hole countries.
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01-19-2019, 02:41 PM
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Due to POTUS flight to Delaware to honor four fallen US Troops, address is now 4 PM...
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01-19-2019, 02:42 PM
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Originally Posted by chadk66
how could you think he would be loosing the battle. He is essentially giving up nothing that hasn’t been going on forever. DACA is a mute point
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Ending DACA was a Trump campaign promise.
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01-19-2019, 02:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Clocker
Ending DACA was a Trump campaign promise.
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Yes, taken out his hands by a totally incompetent and incorrect SCOTUS.
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