Is Tom Brady overrated?

[Stillriledup]

Originally Posted by proximity

(1) tom brady IS a great player. but....

(2) manning gets put behind brady? uhhhh???? would brady have led the colts and broncos to as many wins? probably NOT.

(3) tony dungy is FAR from a moron. possibly the dumbest thing you've ever posted here.

(4) caldwell may not be a good head coach but he isn't a moron either.

I think Dungy is a moron as a coach, good guy, very likeable, not a good coach. Caldwell is worse.

[proximity]

Originally Posted by Stillriledup

I think Dungy is a moron as a coach, good guy, very likeable, not a good coach. Caldwell is worse.

get a clue.

[barahona44]

Originally Posted by thaskalos

Is Belichick REALLY that much better as a coach than everybody else?

What was his record when he coached the Cleveland Browns for 5 years?

Bellichick became a .500 career head coach towards the end of his NINTH season as a head coach.5 of his first 6 seasons were losing ones and he made the playoffs once.Brady becomes the Qb and it's Super Bowl time.In addition his willingness to get way below market value saves the Patriots 8-10 million per year (I believe Brady is somewhere in the 13-14th position in QB salary).
Bellichick is good with personnel but until he proves he can win without Brady, I can't call him the greatest coach ever

[ReplayRandall]

Originally Posted by barahona44

Bellichick is good with personnel but until he proves he can win without Brady, I can't call him the greatest coach ever

Of course he's not the greatest coach ever, #1- Vince Lombardi....

2. Bill Walsh
3. Don Shula
4. Bill Belichick
5. Chuck Noll
6. Tom Landry
7. Joe Gibbs
8. John Madden
9. George Halas
10 Bill Parcells

[cj]

Originally Posted by proximity

(1) tom brady IS a great player. but....

(2) manning gets put behind brady? uhhhh???? would brady have led the colts and broncos to as many wins? probably NOT.

Pure homerism. Brady is the greatest QB ever. Look at the "weapons" this guy has had to work with throughout his career. He makes players look good, not the other way around. Think about the players he was handing the ball to and throwing to throughout his career. Then think about what those players did before and after New England.

[proximity]

Originally Posted by cj

Pure homerism. Brady is the greatest QB ever. Look at the "weapons" this guy has had to work with throughout his career. He makes players look good, not the other way around. Think about the players he was handing the ball to and throwing to throughout his career. Then think about what those players did before and after New England.

don't really care about individual players but manning pretty much carried the team. that is a fact. (i wish it wasn't) over the span of his career he did have better receivers overall with marvin and reggie although brady had some time with moss and plenty of time with gronk. 2-14 after he left compared to 10-6, 11-5 or whatever new england was sans brady.

also for the bulk of his career brady had a better line and certainly a better defense, so all the pressure wasn't placed directly on his shoulders. it's also true that he did have better coaching although to say that tony dungy is a moron is completely ridiculous (and should be deleted from this website) as he twice entered losing cultures and transformed them into winners.

[cj]

Originally Posted by Stillriledup

I think Dungy is a moron as a coach, good guy, very likeable, not a good coach. Caldwell is worse.

This is ridiculous. Posting just to post again I think.

[ultracapper]

What was Cassell's record when Brady went down for that full season? 11-5? What's cassell done since? Good football team. Good coach.

[Stillriledup]

Originally Posted by ReplayRandall

Of course he's not the greatest coach ever, #1- Vince Lombardi....

2. Bill Walsh
3. Don Shula
4. Bill Belichick
5. Chuck Noll
6. Tom Landry
7. Joe Gibbs
8. John Madden
9. George Halas
10 Bill Parcells

Lol parcels? Belichick was CARRIED OFF THE FIELD ON THE SHOULDERS OF GIANTS as D coordinator , don't forget that.

[Stillriledup]

Originally Posted by cj

Pure homerism. Brady is the greatest QB ever. Look at the "weapons" this guy has had to work with throughout his career. He makes players look good, not the other way around. Think about the players he was handing the ball to and throwing to throughout his career. Then think about what those players did before and after New England.

The players don't do as good because the coaching doesn't put them in the positions that Belichick puts them in.

[rastajenk]

Originally Posted by proximity

...2-14 after he (Manning) left ...

That was intentional to get the first pick. No doubt about that. No way Kerry Collins and Curtis Painter were the best qb's they could get at that time.

[ManU918]

Originally Posted by proximity

don't really care about individual players but manning pretty much carried the team. that is a fact. (i wish it wasn't) over the span of his career he did have better receivers overall with marvin and reggie although brady had some time with moss and plenty of time with gronk. 2-14 after he left compared to 10-6, 11-5 or whatever new england was sans brady.

also for the bulk of his career brady had a better line and certainly a better defense, so all the pressure wasn't placed directly on his shoulders. it's also true that he did have better coaching although to say that tony dungy is a moron is completely ridiculous (and should be deleted from this website) as he twice entered losing cultures and transformed them into winners.

+1. Dungy coached 13 years in the NFL and had one losing season.

[Kash$]

Originally Posted by cj

Pure homerism. Brady is the greatest QB ever. Look at the "weapons" this guy has had to work with throughout his career. He makes players look good, not the other way around. Think about the players he was handing the ball to and throwing to throughout his career. Then think about what those players did before and after New England.

Brady all time great QB...but Montana was up against some of the all time great defenses and played in a era where no qb was completing over 60%..

I ranked Elway ahead of Brady..Elway's 80's super bowl teams were stunk..

Montana
Elway
Brady

[Kash$]

Originally Posted by cj

This is ridiculous. Posting just to post again I think.

Dungy is good not great..

[tucker6]

Originally Posted by Kash$

Dungy is good not great..

we have a winner