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05-29-2013, 07:47 PM
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Originally Posted by overthehill
i dont recall encountering this ever. the spa city one was a real head scratcher, the others figured pretty well.
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I bet on Spa City because i hated the fave and the only other runner (3 horse field) had like a 2 year layoff off a race where it looked like he broke down. Somehow that other horse was the 2nd betting choice. Spa City had a good line 2 or 3 lines down where he was game in a good field. Also, the favorite stumbled at the start fwiw.
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05-29-2013, 08:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Stillriledup
RRRs horses have taken a noticible dropoff, in fact, when i handicap a race he's in, i almost 'instant toss' him.
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Rudy is a killer on the AQU inner, but this isn't the first time he has dropped off the map when Belmont started.
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05-29-2013, 10:29 PM
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Well, I spotted and posted here about RR two weeks and 20? losers ago. Many at short odds. Shows that after 200 years of race watching, you can actually learn stuff.
Flash: read this Jacobson news at the DRF , talk of the RR -streak there as well.
http://www.drf.com/news/belmont-park...e-eye-jacobson
Actually, the 'dry' spell was spotted and began earlier than that , though he won a couple at PIM.
Sometimes they pass the baton.
Last edited by MightBeSosa; 05-29-2013 at 10:35 PM.
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05-29-2013, 10:59 PM
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Just another Facist
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This was interesting from that article
"Of the 109 horses to receive a published workout on Tuesday at Saratoga, 73 were 2-year-olds. Most, though not all, were trained by Todd Pletcher."
That's amazing...........how many horses can Pletcher have across the country?
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05-30-2013, 12:39 AM
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That's amazing...........how many horses can Pletcher have across the country?
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He learned well from the master. Right down to his choice of hair color... 
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06-02-2013, 11:32 AM
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The Voice of Reason!
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From January 1st......
Coupled entries - 8
Wins - 3
Places - 4
Shows -1
100% in the money.
88% exacta finishes
Uncoupled entries - 31
Wins - 15
Lower odds - 10
Higher odds - 5 (only 2 were over $10)
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06-02-2013, 05:05 PM
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Two of Jacobson's wins this weekend, Saginaw and Big Business, are both horses that he's been able keep going strong for a sustained period of time, and he was able to rest them and bring them back sharp this year after they both had huge 2012 seasons. Trainers who juice their horses simply can't keep horses going like that over a period of time. This is one of the main reasons why I think that it's unfair to accuse Jacobson of using. He has no positives and his horses hold up remarkably well.
The trainers who use stuff are pretty obvious. The horse improves off a claim, runs a few big races and then tails off, then they drop the horse in very low and try to get rid of it. Drugs like EPO and whatever else these guys use take a toll on a horse.
As a young man David worked for his father. Buddy, who won 5 training titles in New York, and Bobby Frankel, who was one of the greatest claiming trainers ever before he got the higher quality stock.
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06-02-2013, 07:19 PM
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Originally Posted by pandy
As a young man David worked for his father. Buddy, who won 5 training titles in New York, and Bobby Frankel, who was one of the greatest claiming trainers ever before he got the higher quality stock.
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Why was he gone for so long?
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06-02-2013, 07:21 PM
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That suspension looks more suspicious all the time. Anyone who can keep these older horses winning like this and racing consistently obviously takes good care of his horses.
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06-02-2013, 07:24 PM
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@TimeformUSfigs
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Originally Posted by pandy
That suspension looks more suspicious all the time. Anyone who can keep these older horses winning like this and racing consistently obviously takes good care of his horses.
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Well, he had quite a few break down that I recall, including ones he dumped via claim breakdown shortly after.
But, you didn't answer? I was being serious, I don't remember the reason. I know it wasn't good obviously.
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06-02-2013, 07:53 PM
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Originally Posted by cj
Well, he had quite a few break down that I recall, including ones he dumped via claim breakdown shortly after.
But, you didn't answer? I was being serious, I don't remember the reason. I know it wasn't good obviously.
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http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/item_...qRMWiPtko1J4xL
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06-02-2013, 08:57 PM
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[QUOTE=cj]Well, he had quite a few break down that I recall, including ones he dumped via claim breakdown shortly after.
But, you didn't answer? I was being serious, I don't remember the reason. I know it wasn't good obviously.[/QUOTE
The suspension was for a horse of his that died while in his care. But it was hard to figure if he did anything wrong because there was good reason to believe that the NYRA management back then could have had it in for him because they hated his father.
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06-13-2013, 10:18 AM
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The Voice of Reason!
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Baffert with uncoupled entries
Lots of talk about Baffert winning with the higher odds horse......
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06-13-2013, 10:22 AM
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Jacobson in a mini slump - been cold this past week or so.
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06-13-2013, 02:49 PM
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Jacobson in a mini slump - been cold this past week or so.
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Since June 3rd Jacobson is 1 for 16 at Belmont. He's also 0 for 5 at Suffolk, four of which were heavy favorites. His Belmont horses, which were getting bet heavily earlier, are now ice cold.
Like with Cibelli back at Tampa, when the "investigations" and "crackdowns" start at the barn, it's never a bad idea to keep your money in your pocket for a while and wait to see if the barn suddenly cools off. These trainers usually run in cycles anyway (no pun intended).
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