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03-17-2012, 12:30 PM
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One problem with racing
Someone is going to have to explain to me why Oaklawn and the Fair Grounds are running the New Orleans Ladies and The Azeri on the same day, at the same distance, for the same money.
Instead of having one great race with a large field they have one good field with 5 horses and one walkover prep with 5 horses.
It makes no sense that these kinds of things aren't coordinated a little better among tracks so that fans get to see one great race or two great races scheduled appropriately. It would generate more interest and a potentially larger handle for both tracks.
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03-17-2012, 12:35 PM
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Owners and trainers up here.
Fans ....
down here.
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03-17-2012, 01:13 PM
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clean money
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racing is wayyyy under-developed.
There is a lot of money to be made.
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03-17-2012, 02:29 PM
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The Voice of Reason!
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Who does the Racing Form Detective like in this one?
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03-17-2012, 02:59 PM
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Just another Facist
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Quote:
Originally Posted by classhandicapper
Someone is going to have to explain to me why Oaklawn and the Fair Grounds are running the New Orleans Ladies and The Azeri on the same day, at the same distance, for the same money.
Instead of having one great race with a large field they have one good field with 5 horses and one walkover prep with 5 horses.
It makes no sense that these kinds of things aren't coordinated a little better among tracks so that fans get to see one great race or two great races scheduled appropriately. It would generate more interest and a potentially larger handle for both tracks.
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You really don't understand? These two tracks are competing against each other. They are a 500 miles apart and serve their own self interests. That is all they care about. "Racing" is not like the NFL or MLB where owners have the same interests. Racing, is competition, and state control means so much more than any other sport. That's why it is falling apart..........
Last edited by JustRalph; 03-17-2012 at 03:00 PM.
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03-17-2012, 03:33 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jelly
Owners and trainers up here.
Fans ....
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This was so very helpful...thank you!
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03-17-2012, 04:13 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by JustRalph
You really don't understand? These two tracks are competing against each other. They are a 500 miles apart and serve their own self interests. That is all they care about. "Racing" is not like the NFL or MLB where owners have the same interests. Racing, is competition, and state control means so much more than any other sport. That's why it is falling apart..........
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Yea, but even Coke and Pepsi eventually figured out that certain things they were doing were hurting both of them.
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03-17-2012, 04:29 PM
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The Voice of Reason!
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It is not hurting them - this way, TWO owners get win purses, TWO trainers get win purses, TWO jockeys get win purses......see?
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03-17-2012, 05:34 PM
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Because we are fans of the biggest Sham in sports. They launder money...in some cases government money into their own pockets. We care about competitive balance.. they care about account balance that's it. It is run by "them" and for "them". this is why racing will be severely diminished if not eradicated in the coming decades. Sad but true.
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03-17-2012, 05:42 PM
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On a side note...I'm trying to help more horses (like a cat chasing his tail). These are for Our Mims horse haven...take a look if interested. All proceeds go to them. http://www.ebay.com/sch/tah831/m.htm...id=p4340.l2562
Thanks
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03-17-2012, 07:02 PM
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easygoer
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Hey Jelly, how did you do that?
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03-17-2012, 07:09 PM
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Working on 'Plan B'
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jasonm921
Because we are fans of the biggest Sham in sports. They launder money...in some cases government money into their own pockets. We care about competitive balance.. they care about account balance that's it. It is run by "them" and for "them". this is why racing will be severely diminished if not eradicated in the coming decades. Sad but true.
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Well, at least you guys have now extended the estimated time of death to "decades".
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03-17-2012, 07:38 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom
It is not hurting them - this way, TWO owners get win purses, TWO trainers get win purses, TWO jockeys get win purses......see?
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So you think the tracks carded these races this way to benefit the owners, trainers and jockeys?
The point is the tracks, the two tracks who decided to card these races in this way, are costing themselves money by making these stupid decisions. AND they're killing interest in the game by putting on two substandard races rather than one good one. I thought classhandicapper made a great point.
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03-17-2012, 07:45 PM
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Just another Facist
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Quote:
Originally Posted by The Hawk
So you think the tracks carded these races this way to benefit the owners, trainers and jockeys?
The point is the tracks, the two tracks who decided to card these races in this way, are costing themselves money by making these stupid decisions. AND they're killing interest in the game by putting on two substandard races rather than one good one. I thought classhandicapper made a great point.
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I think you missed my point. I was pointing out that they don't look beyond their own fences. I believe that is what Tom is referring to. they only care about who gets paid inside their own fences. If that means two sub standard races 500 miles apart, so be it. There definitely is only one 'I' in racing.
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03-17-2012, 07:49 PM
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I agree. I don't know the logistics behind the scenes, but from a wagering and fan stand pointbit sure would make sense to not run these races against one another.
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