Dems losing ground?

[Tom]

Originally Posted by hcap

Trump was briefed

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...mpaign-n830596

WASHINGTON — In the weeks after he became the Republican nominee on July 19, 2016, Donald Trump was warned that foreign adversaries, including Russia, would probably try to spy on and infiltrate his campaign, according to multiple government officials familiar with the matter.

Of course Obama knew. He was an active president who took an interest in Russian spying.

I think you left your brains in Kenya, looking for Obama's birth certificate. How's that working out for you. After all Truimp used that fiasco to seduce what's left of the republican party.

Trump was NOT the president.
0bama was - it was HIS job to sop it.
He failed.

End of your pathetic little whinny story.

[PaceAdvantage]

It's so ridiculous, isn't it Tom?

So ridiculous in fact, even level-headed guys like ely fail to see the nonsense for what it is.

Bamboozled they are, says Yoda.

[lamboguy]

Originally Posted by Tom

Trump was NOT the president.
0bama was - it was HIS job to sop it.
He failed.

End of your pathetic little whinny story.

he didn't fail, he had to know what was going on and probably didn't want Hillary either.

[elysiantraveller]

Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage

It's so ridiculous, isn't it Tom?

So ridiculous in fact, even level-headed guys like ely fail to see the nonsense for what it is.

Bamboozled they are, says Yoda.

What nonsense?

Obama should have done something about. He would have been killed by most people on here including myself for interfering but he should have.

Trump should too but he's too busy being a Russian apologist and overall moron.

That's objective.

You guys aren't.

Remember when you all ****ing loved Comey but now hate him...?

Talk to me about objectiveness again.

PS) these comments come from a white Male if that helps.

[Tom]

Obama should have done something about. He would have been killed by most people on here including myself for interfering but he should have.

So allowing the RUSSIANS to do whatever it was that they did is OK if it fits your political agenda.

So what is your problem with Trump now then?

[elysiantraveller]

Originally Posted by Tom

So allowing the RUSSIANS to do whatever it was that they did is OK if it fits your political agenda.

So what is your problem with Trump now then?

I'm not okay with either.

It is possible to identify both as failures. That's being objective.

I also had a problem with the FBI opening the Hillary investigation a week before the election. None of you did but quickly turned on him the second he was investigating dear leader.

So I'll ask you the same question... its okay if it fits your political agenda?

The overwhelming support for all things Trump would say yes...

[Tom]

WE KNEW Hillary had broken the law and we KNEW she purposely destroyed evidence. We KNEW there was collusion with Billy boy on the tarmac.
WE accepted and FBI investigation. One that NEVER should have been stopped in the first place. As it turn out, we were correct about Comey being a democrat hack.

WE had no such evidence about Trump.

[hcap]

Originally Posted by Tom

Trump was NOT the president.
0bama was - it was HIS job to sop it.
He failed.

End of your pathetic little whinny story.

First you say Trump didfn't know

WASHINGTON — In the weeks after he became the Republican nominee on July 19, 2016, Donald Trump was warned that foreign adversaries, including Russia, would probably try to spy on and infiltrate his campaign, according to multiple government officials familiar with the matter

Then you and Chump say Obama didn't do anything to stop Russian spying.

Donald J. Trump
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@realDonaldTrump

Question: If all of the Russian meddling took place during the Obama Administration, right up to January 20th, why aren’t they the subject of the investigation? Why didn’t Obama do something about the meddling? Why aren’t Dem crimes under investigation? Ask Jeff Sessions!

FACT CHECK: Why Didn't Obama Stop Russia's Election Interference In 2016?
https://www.npr.org/2018/02/21/58761...erence-in-2016

1-Private warnings:

Among other things, top U.S. intelligence officials — including then-CIA Director John Brennan — privately warned their Russian counterparts not to persist with their active measures. Obama himself told Russian President Vladimir Putin not to interfere in the election. These warnings did not work.

2-Public warnings.

Obama administration officials also told reporters on background that Russian intelligence operatives were behind the cyberattacks that led to the release of emails stolen from political figures and institutions. Later, Director of National Intelligence James Clapper and Homeland Security Secretary Jeh Johnson formally blamed the Russian government in an official statement.

Although it wasn't universally accepted, the active measures campaign became a part of the political campaign itself. Trump and opponent Hillary Clinton traded barbs about the Russian interference during their debates.

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3-Diplomatic and Sanctions response

After Election Day, Obama ordered the U.S. intelligence community to issue a public report about the Russian scheme. Once it had — and concluded Russia's attack was aimed at helping Trump and hurting Clinton — the United States imposed a slate of punitive measures against Moscow. In addition to imposing new sanctions, Washington also expelled a number of Russian diplomats and closed two Russian diplomatic compounds in Maryland and New York.
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[hcap]

More on Fact Check

Obama administration officials have said they worried about appearing to put their thumb on the scales for Clinton. Combined with Obama's belief that Clinton would win, their political calculus appears to have boiled down to: Let's ride this out.

Obama himself said in December 2016 that he wasn't convinced that he should have done anything different.

FACT CHECK: The intelligence community did not make an assessment about how the active measures campaign affected the 2016 election. Trump and supporters have sometimes said incorrectly that the report found there was no effect; in fact, it did not address the question. Homeland Security officials did conclude that cyberattacks didn't tamper with vote tallies in 2016.
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And this

Fact Check: Did The Obama Administration Respond To Election Interference By Russia?
https://www.npr.org/2018/07/15/62928...erence-by-russ

And the Obama administration also tried to ask leaders in Congress of both parties to sign a statement condemning these foreign efforts. The Democratic leaders agreed to do so. The Republican speaker, Paul Ryan, apparently thought that he could get there, but the majority leader in the Senate, Mitch McConnell, did not agree to do that. And so, ultimately, there was no public statement until October of 2016, by which time, with the view of history, it may have been too late to do anything about it.

[hcap]

As everyone can see the "why didn't Obama do anything" is not as simple as the Trumpeteer cultiusts and Trump portray it.

Ironically the Chump is still kissing Vladimir's butt.

Obama’s secret struggle to punish Russia for Putin’s election assault
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graph...=.d6d78da23586

Obama also approved a previously undisclosed covert measure that authorized planting cyberweapons in Russia’s infrastructure, the digital equivalent of bombs that could be detonated if the United States found itself in an escalating exchange with Moscow. The project, which Obama approved in a covert-action finding, was still in its planning stages when Obama left office. It would be up to President Trump to decide whether to use the capability.

In political terms, Russia’s interference was the crime of the century, an unprecedented and largely successful destabilizing attack on American democracy. It was a case that took almost no time to solve, traced to the Kremlin through cyber-forensics and intelligence on Putin’s involvement. And yet, because of the divergent ways Obama and Trump have handled the matter, Moscow appears unlikely to face proportionate consequences.

Those closest to Obama defend the administration’s response to Russia’s meddling. They note that by August it was too late to prevent the transfer to WikiLeaks and other groups of the troves of emails that would spill out in the ensuing months. They believe that a series of warnings — including one that Obama delivered to Putin in September — prompted Moscow to abandon any plans of further aggression, such as sabotage of U.S. voting systems.

[PaceAdvantage]

Originally Posted by hcap

Obama also approved a previously undisclosed covert measure that authorized planting cyberweapons in Russia’s infrastructure, the digital equivalent of bombs that could be detonated if the United States found itself in an escalating exchange with Moscow. The project, which Obama approved in a covert-action finding, was still in its planning stages when Obama left office. It would be up to President Trump to decide whether to use the capability.

Damn. If Trump had approved planting those things, you'd be having a shit-fit right now that that would only encourage Russia to do the same to us, putting our electric grid and other infrastructures at risk.

And for WHAT, really? Stuff that's been going on since the Cold War and will CONTINUE to go on infinitum?

So you guys can make a point? So you can say Trump is Putin's lover?

That's what this is all for?

Jesus Christ man...you guys are insane.

[horses4courses]

Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage

Damn. If Trump had approved planting those things, you'd be having a shit-fit right now that that would only encourage Russia to do the same to us, putting our electric grid and other infrastructures at risk.

And for WHAT, really? Stuff that's been going on since the Cold War and will CONTINUE to go on infinitum?

So you guys can make a point? So you can say Trump is Putin's lover?

That's what this is all for?

Jesus Christ man...you guys are insane.

Put it this way.
Whether he became president, or not, Trump does a lot of business with Russia.
Trouble is, much of it involves loans for Trump's global business speculation.

Much is being done behind the scenes to keep all of this confidential.
One of these days we will learn how much he is in debt to Russian interests.

[chadk66]

still no lefty has been able to explain how the hell Russia brain washed enough liberals to vote for Trump. That's the real story here if there was Russian involvement.

[elysiantraveller]

Originally Posted by Tom

WE KNEW Hillary had broken the law and we KNEW she purposely destroyed evidence. We KNEW there was collusion with Billy boy on the tarmac.
WE accepted and FBI investigation. One that NEVER should have been stopped in the first place. As it turn out, we were correct about Comey being a democrat hack.

WE had no such evidence about Trump.

We also KNOW Russia interfered with our election. Where is the outrage?

Nonexistent.

Again for the sake of OBJECTIVITY it's possible to do both things.

I don't think trump colluded... I suspect that will be dropped... but I'm okay with INVESTIGATING and don't flip my standards the second my dear leader comes under flack.

You guys are partisan hacks... nothing more.

[PaceAdvantage]

Originally Posted by elysiantraveller

We also KNOW Russia interfered with our election. Where is the outrage?

We are showing the same exact amount of outrage as when Russian interfered with all the other elections prior to 2016. Can't you tell?

Or was this the first election?

Playing dumb again I see.