Undocumented cattle

[GaryG]

If he had named his ranch Benghazi the feds would have stayed as far away as possible.

[davew]

Harry Reid hasn't given up, and probably BLM (now ran by past Reid employee).

[classhandicapper]

All I know is that regardless of what side you are on in terms of whether Bundy should have to pay or not, it's frightening that we live in a country where the government thinks it's OK to send out armed men and women to confiscate private property, set up free speech zones, risk the lives of people and animals, and potentially cause a huge conflict etc.. over a monetary issue.

All it was going to take was one temper to flare or one bad decision and a shot would have gone off and a bunch of Americans would have gotten killed.

That's why even people that think Bundy is wrong are rallying to his side.

He may be wrong, but the government was preposterously out of line to react like this. We all already know our government is incompetent, corrupt, and taking us down the fast track to economic and social hell. But we now also know it is very dangerous. Perhaps the extreme right wing is not so crazy after all.

[elysiantraveller]

The order of events:

1) BLM informs Bundy they will be seizing his cattle.

2) Ranchers and Militia arrive heavily armed to Bundy Ranch.

3) To protect BLM during seizure of cattle Federal agents were called in for their potential protection.

The armed agents were a reactionary decision to the situation not for a smash and grab. Like I said before I don't agree with the response but it isn't like black helicopters suddenly appeared on the horizon to take some cows.

It should be noted that today the Nevada Cattle Ranchers Association refused to support Bundy who declared today that sheriffs should disarm all federal agents in Nevada. The guy is a separatist nutcase.

[fast4522]

1.) It's frightening that we live that beef prices are at a 27 year high.

2.) The price will go much higher.

3.) China is going to compete for buying American beef products.

4.) When hyperinflation comes to town there will be no fix.

[classhandicapper]

Originally Posted by elysiantraveller

The order of events:

1) BLM informs Bundy they will be seizing his cattle.

2) Ranchers and Militia arrive heavily armed to Bundy Ranch.

3) To protect BLM during seizure of cattle Federal agents were called in for their potential protection.

The armed agents were a reactionary decision to the situation not for a smash and grab. Like I said before I don't agree with the response but it isn't like black helicopters suddenly appeared on the horizon to take some cows.

It should be noted that today the Nevada Cattle Ranchers Association refused to support Bundy who declared today that sheriffs should disarm all federal agents in Nevada. The guy is a separatist nutcase.

You could have stopped at #1. That's not the way to handle it. Bringing in armed personnel during the seizure was beyond idiotic.

[DJofSD]

Hey, the different agencies of the US government have acquired all of those rounds of ammo for a reason. Just a good opportunity to use 'em.

Next, they'll send in the US Postal Service for some training.

[GaryG]

Originally Posted by DJofSD

Hey, the different agencies of the US government have acquired all of those rounds of ammo for a reason. Just a good opportunity to use 'em.

Next, they'll send in the US Postal Service for some training.

I can see this becoming another Ruby Ridge or Waco. On their way out the feds killed two prize bulls, shot up the water tank, tore up water lines among other acts of vandalism. What about all of the Mexicans that are living on land they are not entitled to? They receive food stamps and voter registration cards.

[DJofSD]

They're a protected and sought after class.

Citizens are just tools.

[DJofSD]

The cows are pooping on the land and eating the grass (scrub brush).

Where's Hillary when we need her? "What difference does it make?"

[fast4522]

Without it nothing will grow next year, brown then green.

[DJofSD]

Originally Posted by fast4522

without it nothing will grow next year.

The poop or Hillary?

[Tom]

Originally Posted by DJofSD

They're a protected and sought after class.

Citizens are just tools.

I though the government was all tools?

[classhandicapper]

Now Harry Reid is calling the people that came in support of Bundy domestic terrorists.

How is this idiot still in office?

There have been federal land grabs and ranchers slowly driven out of business by federal rules, regulations, and other actions all over the country and when someone defends against cows and bulls being confiscated somehow they are terrorists?

There was a way to settle this, but not by grabbing his herd and putting him and other Americans in danger when we are talking about pennies in federal government terms. Even if the government is legally right (which it probably is even though it's wrong in terms of the bigger picture), it's way out of line.

[Clocker]

Originally Posted by classhandicapper

There have been federal land grabs and ranchers slowly driven out of business by federal rules, regulations, and other actions all over the country and when someone defends against cows and bulls being confiscated somehow they are terrorists?

The facts are still not clear on the Bundy situation. It appears that both sides are in the wrong on a number of issues. But this appears to be one of many instances of the government, particularly in the form of the BLM, running amok.

Here is a case where the BLM harassed a family of ranchers for decades. The BLM acted so egregiously that a court eventually awarded the family over $4 million, plus $10 million in interest and legal fees.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=es6mTN1uSh0