Undocumented cattle

[classhandicapper]

Originally Posted by JustRalph

Been reading a little about these grazing arguments. I found out that when the Feds took over control of this land originally, way back, they promised to never charge any fees to the families of the original lease holders. Over the years that has changed apparently.

I find that makes some difference. Makes the Bundy argument a little more interesting...........yet I wonder why they waited to take it this far, on both sides.

I would guess most of the ranchers decided they couldn't win a fight against a rigged system. So they threw in the towel and went into another business. Let's face it, this is likely to get very ugly for the Bundy family no matter how many ex ranchers and militias members are on his side.

I guess the extent of the land grabs, the number of ranchers, miners, loggers, etc... that have been put out of business, and the general animosity towards the government are probably at an all time high. Add it all together and some people eventually throw some tea in the harbor even if it's likely to end badly.

If I was him I'd go into another business and pay the fees. Then I'd vent my experience to newspapers, blogs, and local politicians, sign petitions etc...

But I applaud his courage to fight back given how poorly it has been handled by the government. He has to reduce his herd, lost cattle, had private property destroyed, and we almost had bloodshed over a stinking 1M dollars. They feds have already spent way more than that fighting the family.

There's a reasonable solution to this problem somewhere, but that's not what the government wants. It wants all these people off the land.

[classhandicapper]

Here's the official Bundy Ranch Facebook page where they are giving updates and displayed pictures of the mass grave of cows and of the bulls that were executed by government forces.

https://www.facebook.com/bundyranch

[tucker6]

Why aren't we defending our borders against foreign nationals again??

[davew]

BLM does what they want

A few years ago sued for rackeeteering under RICO
http://www.livestockweekly.com/paper...05/whlrico.asp

[Hank]

Originally Posted by tucker6

Hank, the more posts of yours I read, the less I learn.

My humble pardon sir, I shall endeavor to elevate the educational level of my post in the future.

[davew]

I heard that the BLM paid a company in Utah $960,000 to round up these cattle, and a Utah auctionhouse $350,000 to auction the cattle. The governor of Utah said we don't want those cattle in our state.

The Bundys have no idea where the $1 million number is coming from, as the last they heard it was near $230,000. They have been finding mass grave sites where some of their cattle have recently been buried.

The government is going to spend $5 - 8 million to get this family OFF the land.

[johnhannibalsmith]

Paging, FanDan...

...embed a clip of the Stewart show on this one. Just watched the clip on a news story and it was pretty damn funny.

[FantasticDan]

Ask and ye shall receive.. altho I don't see it on YT to embed, so links will have to do..

http://thedailyshow.cc.com/videos/v4jh6e/apocalypse-cow

http://thedailyshow.cc.com/videos/uc...elfare-rancher

[RaceBookJoe]

Originally Posted by JustRalph

Been reading a little about these grazing arguments. I found out that when the Feds took over control of this land originally, way back, they promised to never charge any fees to the families of the original lease holders. Over the years that has changed apparently.

I find that makes some difference. Makes the Bundy argument a little more interesting...........yet I wonder why they waited to take it this far, on both sides.

Do you have any links on that? Would love to read up on the issue a bit more, thanks.

[JustRalph]

Originally Posted by RaceBookJoe

Do you have any links on that? Would love to read up on the issue a bit more, thanks.

I hit a link in an article that took me to it. I will see if I can dig it out of my history.

[davew]

Harry Reids kid and chinese making 5000 acre solar farm - displaces turle reserve, need Bundys area - BLM decides Texas is really Oklahoma and want it back - trying to take 90,000 acres from Texas ranch family that they own -

http://www.greeleygazette.com/press/?p=23892


no wonder the BLM needs its own army

[FantasticDan]

Originally Posted by davew

Harry Reids kid and chinese making 5000 acre solar farm - displaces turle reserve, need Bundys area - BLM decides Texas is really Oklahoma and want it back - trying to take 90,000 acres from Texas ranch family that they own -

http://www.greeleygazette.com/press/?p=23892

http://www.snopes.com/politics/conspiracy/nevada.asp

[hcap]

Clive Bundy or Al? Sounds a lot like some posters here

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewir...-off-as-slaves

Bundy made some racially charged comments about government assistance in his daily news conference Saturday, according to a New York Times story published Wednesday.

“I want to tell you one more thing I know about the Negro,” the rancher began as he described a "government house" in Las Vegas where he recalled that all the people who sat outside seemed to "have nothing to do."

“And because they were basically on government subsidy, so now what do they do?” he said, as quoted by the Times. “They abort their young children, they put their young men in jail, because they never learned how to pick cotton. And I’ve often wondered, are they better off as slaves, picking cotton and having a family life and doing things, or are they better off under government subsidy? They didn’t get no more freedom. They got less freedom.”

[Robert Goren]

I like to say I am surprised by Bundy's remarks, but I am not. It will be interesting see how many of Bundy's supporters drop him now that he has show his true colors racist colors. Hopefully everybody.

[DJofSD]

Well, if they do abandon him, they're nothing but closet liberals that put politics before principle.