Lessons from a pro

[46zilzal]

Our track hired a professional gambler this season, F.R. who puts out a daily (very good one too) tip sheet under the moniker of The Professor.

An open minded very knowledgeable fellow, who, follows a philosophy of LATERAL THINKING (de Bono), and, as such, looks where others don't. He uses HTR software so we have a good time comparing out comes. We are often very close.

He believes, like I do, that so much CAN and OFTEN DOES happen between the gate and the wire, that one has to cover the various possibilities. He doesn't wager vertically that often beyond exactas because "When it comes to the horses underneath, the number of possibilities, particularly in a super, become so outrageous and often illogical, that covering those bets takes a hefty bank roll and a bit of luck." He does delve into the occasional trifecta and the exacta is often a back up for him.

He is trying to get me interested in his specialty, the horizontal bet, particularly the pick 4. Strangely, he finds, that it is easier to find the winners in all legs than entering the REQUIRED large number of horses underneath when wagering vertically. Hence, he substantiates my philosophy, to consider a substantial number of horses to cover the under side of the trifecta. "You will never get the big ones unless you include the often illogical horses underneath."

His base Pick 4 bet goes like this. A is his first choice and B are his secondary choices.

The tickets are listed horizontally in this chart and the horses numbers in each position are listed vertically. Total cost $114.00

[gm10]

Originally Posted by 46zilzal

Our track hired a professional gambler this season, F.R. who puts out a daily (very good one too) tip sheet under the moniker of The Professor.

An open minded very knowledgeable fellow, who, follows a philosophy of LATERAL THINKING (de Bono), and, as such, looks where others don't. He uses HTR software so we have a good time comparing out comes. We are often very close.

He believes, like I do, that so much CAN and OFTEN DOES happen between the gate and the wire, that one has to cover the various possibilities. He doesn't wager vertically that often beyond exactas because "When it comes to the horses underneath, the number of possibilities, particularly in a super, become so outrageous and often illogical, that covering those bets takes a hefty bank roll and a bit of luck." He does delve into the occasional trifecta and the exacta is often a back up for him.

He is trying to get me interested in his specialty, the horizontal bet, particularly the pick 4. Strangely, he finds, that it is easier to find the winners in all legs than entering the REQUIRED large number of horses underneath when wagering vertically. Hence, he substantiates my philosophy, to consider a substantial number of horses to cover the under side of the trifecta. "You will never get the big ones unless you include the often illogical horses underneath."

His base Pick 4 bet goes like this. A is his first choice and B are his secondary choices.

The tickets are listed horizontally in this chart and the horses numbers in each position are listed vertically. Total cost $114.00

Why does the Pick 4 have 5 legs?

[Dahoss9698]

I can already tell this is going to be a thread to follow. Can't wait.

[InsideThePylons-MW]

Hilarious stuff zil.

I guess every race has the exact same preference aspect......1 best horse over 3 other horses and all equal in their value range.

I know I come across 4 race sequences that fit this profile about once every decade or two.

If that's his specialty and this is his professional method.......run away as fast as you can.

[Greyfox]

Originally Posted by 46zilzal

He is trying to get me interested in his specialty, the horizontal bet, particularly the pick 4. Strangely, he finds, that it is easier to find the winners in all legs than entering the REQUIRED large number of horses underneath when wagering vertically.

I agree with line of thinking and but don't find it strange that it's easier to pick winners than the combinations running under them. I like the Pick 3.

[GaryG]

Originally Posted by Greyfox

I agree with line of thinking and but don't find it strange that it's easier to pick winners than the combinations running under them. I like the Pick 3.

Me too Fox, for the same reason. The title of this thread sounds like some mail order system from the old days.

[speed]

Originally Posted by gm10

Why does the Pick 4 have 5 legs?

Used to be because of the weak exchange rate.
It took 5 Canadian races to make 4 American races.

[Stillriledup]

Originally Posted by 46zilzal

Our track hired a professional gambler this season, F.R. who puts out a daily (very good one too) tip sheet under the moniker of The Professor.

An open minded very knowledgeable fellow, who, follows a philosophy of LATERAL THINKING (de Bono), and, as such, looks where others don't. He uses HTR software so we have a good time comparing out comes. We are often very close.

He believes, like I do, that so much CAN and OFTEN DOES happen between the gate and the wire, that one has to cover the various possibilities. He doesn't wager vertically that often beyond exactas because "When it comes to the horses underneath, the number of possibilities, particularly in a super, become so outrageous and often illogical, that covering those bets takes a hefty bank roll and a bit of luck." He does delve into the occasional trifecta and the exacta is often a back up for him.

He is trying to get me interested in his specialty, the horizontal bet, particularly the pick 4. Strangely, he finds, that it is easier to find the winners in all legs than entering the REQUIRED large number of horses underneath when wagering vertically. Hence, he substantiates my philosophy, to consider a substantial number of horses to cover the under side of the trifecta. "You will never get the big ones unless you include the often illogical horses underneath."

His base Pick 4 bet goes like this. A is his first choice and B are his secondary choices.

The tickets are listed horizontally in this chart and the horses numbers in each position are listed vertically. Total cost $114.00

I disagree with this. I think its easier to get some slug to clunk up for 4th to complete the super than it is to pick 4 winners in a row....esp in 10+ horse fields.

[BlueShoe]

Originally Posted by Greyfox

I agree with line of thinking and but don't find it strange that it's easier to pick winners than the combinations running under them. I like the Pick 3.

After becoming somewhat enchanted by supers and tris a couple of years ago, I too have realized that, for me at least, the horizontal exotic is much better than the vertical one. It just seems much, much easier to select the winner and second horse than the 3rd and 4th place ones. That 45-1 shot that has lost by double digit lengths in its last five races just seems to jump up and kill your ticket by landing in the lower rungs too often. At one time was an active pick 3 player, but drifted away from it, a mistake. Back to the rolling triples, with an occasional pick 4.

[Greyfox]

Originally Posted by speed

Used to be because of the weak exchange rate.
It took 5 Canadian races to make 4 American races.

Luv it.

[gm10]

Originally Posted by BlueShoe

After becoming somewhat enchanted by supers and tris a couple of years ago, I too have realized that, for me at least, the horizontal exotic is much better than the vertical one. It just seems much, much easier to select the winner and second horse than the 3rd and 4th place ones. That 45-1 shot that has lost by double digit lengths in its last five races just seems to jump up and kill your ticket by landing in the lower rungs too often. At one time was an active pick 3 player, but drifted away from it, a mistake. Back to the rolling triples, with an occasional pick 4.

My reasoning is ... jockeys have to make a living. They are on a lot of horses that they know can't possibly win, but if they ask them for an effort at the right time (late in the race), they know could possibly get third or fourth. If they a run a couple of third or fourth places each day, they still make a living.

[BlueShoe]

Originally Posted by speed

Used to be because of the weak exchange rate.
It took 5 Canadian races to make 4 American races.

Careful, because it is his thread, Zilly may respond with one of his murky political statements.

[speed]

Originally Posted by BlueShoe

Careful, because it is his thread, Zilly may respond with one of his murky political statements.

Come on,
This is good material.
I just hope HBO is reading.

[Exotic1]

Originally Posted by 46zilzal

Our track hired a professional gambler this season, F.R. who puts out a daily (very good one too) tip sheet under the moniker of The Professor.

An open minded very knowledgeable fellow, who, follows a philosophy of LATERAL THINKING (de Bono), and, as such, looks where others don't.....

Would a Lateral Thinker be considered a Horizontal Thinker or a Vertical Thinker?

[beertapper]

Originally Posted by 46zilzal

Our track hired a professional gambler this season, F.R. who puts out a daily (very good one too) tip sheet under the moniker of The Professor.

An open minded very knowledgeable fellow, who, follows a philosophy of LATERAL THINKING (de Bono), and, as such, looks where others don't. He uses HTR software so we have a good time comparing out comes. We are often very close.

He believes, like I do, that so much CAN and OFTEN DOES happen between the gate and the wire, that one has to cover the various possibilities. He doesn't wager vertically that often beyond exactas because "When it comes to the horses underneath, the number of possibilities, particularly in a super, become so outrageous and often illogical, that covering those bets takes a hefty bank roll and a bit of luck." He does delve into the occasional trifecta and the exacta is often a back up for him.

He is trying to get me interested in his specialty, the horizontal bet, particularly the pick 4. Strangely, he finds, that it is easier to find the winners in all legs than entering the REQUIRED large number of horses underneath when wagering vertically. Hence, he substantiates my philosophy, to consider a substantial number of horses to cover the under side of the trifecta. "You will never get the big ones unless you include the often illogical horses underneath."

His base Pick 4 bet goes like this. A is his first choice and B are his secondary choices.

The tickets are listed horizontally in this chart and the horses numbers in each position are listed vertically. Total cost $114.00

interesting..saw the sheet advertised when i was at hastings, but didn't think much of it... will check it out next time.

tickets look like crist et al. method..