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01-09-2011, 06:37 PM
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Unusual Betting Pattern
Did anyone else notice the fluctuation in the win pool at SA R6 today?
According to my TwinSpires feed, the 8-5 m/l favorite, Bad Boy, opened 1-9, and stayed there for some time. I checked the pool at 20 mtp, and there was over $44k bet to win on the horse. At 5 mtp, the horse started to drift (not surprisingly). This was not, however, due to a lot of money for other horses.
There was now less than $20k to win on the favorite. Someone get cold feet?
Or pool manipulation? The horse suddenly drifted to as high as 4-1, before closing at 9-5. He never came close to winning, and finished off the board.
Those odds fluctuations were bush league.
Something you might see at a track with very small pools.
Anyone notice much of this going on?
Looks like someone was trying to manipulate the pool, showing wagering confidence in a vulnerable favorite.
It didn't matter to me, as I did not bet the race, however, as far as I'm concerned, it stinks. 
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01-09-2011, 06:53 PM
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i saw it, it happens all the time now, all over the place
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01-09-2011, 06:54 PM
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Betting pattern at Santa Anita on Bad Boy under investigation
http://www.drf.com/blogs/betting-pat...-investigation
Excerpt:
Santa Anita officials are already looking into an odd betting pattern in the sixth race, run just minutes ago, regarding the betting favorite, Bad Boy. He had nearly $40,000 in the win pool with minutes to go before the race, but then more than half that money came off as post time neared. At the off, though, the money was back in the pool.
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01-09-2011, 06:57 PM
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Originally Posted by lamboguy
i saw it, it happens all the time now, all over the place
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It must be because of the ease with which people can cancel wagers.
There really should be some control over this.
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Want to know what's wrong with this country?
Here it is, in a nutshell: Millions of people are
pinning their hopes on a man who has every
chance of returning to the WH, assuming that
he can manage to stay out of prison. Think about it.
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01-09-2011, 06:59 PM
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Originally Posted by horses4courses
It must be because of the ease with which people can cancel wagers.
There really should be some control over this.
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Yep, past-posting is bad enough without past-canceling.
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01-09-2011, 07:00 PM
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Originally Posted by horses4courses
Did anyone else notice the fluctuation in the win pool at SA R6 today?
According to my TwinSpires feed, the 8-5 m/l favorite, Bad Boy, opened 1-9, and stayed there for some time. I checked the pool at 20 mtp, and there was over $44k bet to win on the horse. At 5 mtp, the horse started to drift (not surprisingly). This was not, however, due to a lot of money for other horses.
There was now less than $20k to win on the favorite. Someone get cold feet?
Or pool manipulation? The horse suddenly drifted to as high as 4-1, before closing at 9-5. He never came close to winning, and finished off the board.
Those odds fluctuations were bush league.
Something you might see at a track with very small pools.
Anyone notice much of this going on?
Looks like someone was trying to manipulate the pool, showing wagering confidence in a vulnerable favorite.
It didn't matter to me, as I did not bet the race, however, as far as I'm concerned, it stinks. |
Just another reason to NOT play Santa Anita.
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01-09-2011, 07:02 PM
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Just another reason to NOT bet Santa Anita. If people are playing games with BIG money like this, how can you trust the product?
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01-09-2011, 07:05 PM
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Originally Posted by garyscpa
Yep, past-posting is bad enough without past-canceling.
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I'm not saying wagers are cancelled after the start.
However, if people are making a habit of cancelling large wagers, their transactions should be scrutinized.
Everyone has the right to cancel a bet, but habitually doing it, and seeking to manipulate pools, cannot be tolerated.
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Want to know what's wrong with this country?
Here it is, in a nutshell: Millions of people are
pinning their hopes on a man who has every
chance of returning to the WH, assuming that
he can manage to stay out of prison. Think about it.
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01-09-2011, 07:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Stillriledup
Just another reason to NOT bet Santa Anita. If people are playing games with BIG money like this, how can you trust the product?
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Ease up on them a little SRU...they are hurting... 
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01-09-2011, 07:06 PM
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Originally Posted by garyscpa
Yep, past-posting is bad enough without past-canceling.
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I don't think it was post-canceling because the money in question was taken out with 2-3 minutes till post but was apparently put back in? No clue what went on there but should be interesting to find out.
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01-09-2011, 07:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Stillriledup
Just another reason to NOT bet Santa Anita. If people are playing games with BIG money like this, how can you trust the product?
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There are a ton reasons to pile on SA, but I dont know if this is one of them....cant the same thing be done at any track?
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01-09-2011, 07:09 PM
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Originally Posted by horses4courses
I'm not saying wagers are cancelled after the start.
However, if people are making a habit of cancelling large wagers, their transactions should be scrutinized.
Everyone has the right to cancel a bet, but habitually doing it, and seeking to manipulate pools, cannot be tolerated.
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I know, it's just that if there are instances of past-posting, there might be incidents of post-canceling too. And we know there have been incidents of past posting.
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01-09-2011, 07:16 PM
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Originally Posted by thaskalos
Ease up on them a little SRU...they are hurting... |
They're hurting? Hmmm, i didnt realize that. With all those 25% purse increase banners all over the web i just thought they were on top of the world.
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01-09-2011, 07:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Relwob Owner
There are a ton reasons to pile on SA, but I dont know if this is one of them....cant the same thing be done at any track?
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No, it just happens in So Cal.
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01-09-2011, 07:51 PM
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My guess is the CHRB put it in to boost handle, then had second thoughts, then realized they could actually make a few bucks if he wins and put it back. It was the second worse decision they have made in the last few months.
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