Breeders Cup Pick-5 Conso Payout a MUST!

[Cardus]

Originally Posted by affirmedny

Bob, you are spot on, it's a similar concept to lower takeout. The more money returned to the small guys, the more likely they are to stay in the game. I don't know why this (and fractional betting as well) irks so many people, it's just common sense.

No, Bob is not "spot on" if he asserts that this Pick 5 will "create a significant new fan base".

New fans will most likely not -- or should not, if logic prevails -- engage in this wager.

[affirmedny]

Originally Posted by Cardus

No, Bob is not "spot on" if he asserts that this Pick 5 will "create a significant new fan base".

New fans will most likely not -- or should not, if logic prevails -- engage in this wager.

You guys don't get it, I don't like the bet, I don't even bet horizontal wagers (handicapping 3 out of 4 races perfectly and getting nothing in return is not my idea of good gambling, if it's yours mazeltov), and forget the new fan part. I am however in favor of ANYTHING that puts more money back in the hands of the player whether it be lower takeout, consos, or fractional betting giving them the opportunity to hit a bet with higher odds than they could afford at a higher minimum. And Bob's statement that the player who gets SOMETHING back for hitting 4 out of 5 being more likely to play again is the part that's spot on.

[BombsAway Bob]

Originally Posted by davew

I am curious about your consolation suggestion


what percentage of pool (after take-out) should go to 5/5 and to 4/5

if there are 100 winners on 5/5
how many consol winners would you expect? 1000?

actually a Conso Payout isn't a suggestion, it's done at
some tracks that offer the bet. i first played it last year
at Gulfstream, & the 4-of-5 Conso turned several days
into break-even or small profit days, rather than total loss.
in addition to Gulfstream, Hollywood, Fairplex,
& the Coming Hawthorne meet have 4-of-5 consos.

[point given]

Originally Posted by BombsAway Bob

actually a Conso Payout isn't a suggestion, it's done at
some tracks that offer the bet. i first played it last year
at Gulfstream, & the 4-of-5 Conso turned several days
into break-even or small profit days, rather than total loss.
in addition to Gulfstream, Hollywood, Fairplex,
& the Coming Hawthorne meet have 4-of-5 consos.

QUOTE=BombsAway Bob

.....this isn't about ME, this is about having a bet players with a small bankrollcan put $20-$40 into, & have at least a punters chance of cashing

Not about me, eh ?

[BombsAway Bob]

Originally Posted by point given

QUOTE=BombsAway Bob

.....this isn't about ME, this is about having a bet players with a small bankrollcan put $20-$40 into, & have at least a punters chance of cashing

Not about me, eh ?

No, Columbo, it's not about me... i played Del Mar w/no conso.
i'm not asking Santa Anita to offer P5 Conso,& i'll play that...
the reason i know the conso works is because i played the Bet
for an entire meet.
When you have a Point Given on the wager, let me know.
Peace.

[point given]

Here is my Point Given on small bankroll players playing the P5 (as previously posted). Easy - play the 50 cent rolling p3s in the BC. P5 's are too hard to hit on a small ticket especially in super contentious large field BC races. Conso payouts for 4 of 5 on a P5 is not the solution for small players the simpler easier to hit 50 cent p3 is and I was glad to see them do it, this will keep the churn going much more than a single 4 of 5 conso p5 payoff IMHO

Originally Posted by point given

Here are the minimums for the BC. Note that there are rolling pick 3s with a 50 cent minimum. Small pIlayers would be better served by skipping the p5 and bet into these thereby making the argument of a consso payout irrelevent it would seem to me.

$0.10 Superfecta -- all races .

$0.50 Trifecta -- all races .

$0.50 Pick-Three -- all races .

$0.50 Pick-4 -- Fri 3, 7; Sun. 4, 8 .

$0.50 Pick-5 -- Fri and Sat. 1-5 .

$1.00 Double -- all races .

$1.00 Super Hi 5 -- Fri 10; Sat 11 .

$2.00 Win/Place/Show -- all races .

$2.00 Pick-6 -- Fri 5-10; Sat 6-11

[OTM Al]

Let's face it. It's pari-mutuel wagering. Anyone that says it's not about them when wanting new players to come in and stay in the game is either lying, likes to give away money, or doesn't understand how pari-mutuel wagering works. New and more players = more money available for ME.

[tanner12oz]

they call it a pick 5 for a reason.....

i want the pool to be as challenging and impossible to hit as possible...why? because i know i have the potential to bring it home.