Dutrow suspension

[Charlie D]

Originally Posted by onefast99

I really don't think the majority of the people heading into the casino will care one way or another that a top trainer was suspended. The casino will do very well, once it is up and running.

Casino probably does well because of people like Dutrow, people like him and horse racing industry tolerating them but other horsemen are not bothered and never will be as long they get a slice of the action.

WE NEED VLT's

Yep, to help keep Dutrow and his ilk in business

[Phantombridgejumpe]

When does the non-posting strike begin exactly?

[onefast99]

Originally Posted by Charlie D

Casino probably does well because of people like Dutrow, people like him and horse racing industry tolerating them but other horsemen are not bothered and never will be as long they get a slice of the action.

WE NEED VLT's

Yep, to help keep Dutrow and his ilk in business

He is just one who sets a bad example, don't group others in with him who are hard workers and stay within the rules of the game. If you are upset that the casino is at Aqueduct that's another issue.

[Tom]

Originally Posted by Robert Goren

He is entitled to "due process" whether we like it or not.

When are WE entitled to due process?

[Hanover1]

Originally Posted by ManeMediaMogul

Most of the things he says about training horses is ludicrous.

Obviously he has built his reputation on his family name and chemicals.

Owners flock to him because they are greedy and want instant gratification.

And this sets him apart from others how? If 50 other guys according to another poster here, are guilty as charged, lets not single him out....the media handles that department quite well.
Most of the things he says about training horses is common knowledge as well.......

[Hanover1]

Originally Posted by Tom

When are WE entitled to due process?

What have "WE" done wrong? (besides back a sport WE despise....)

[precocity]

I wonder what he used on big brown

[Tom]

Originally Posted by Hanover1

What have "WE" done wrong? (besides back a sport WE despise....)

Due process of the game protecting us form the likes of this repeat violator.
When is enough enough?????

[Hanover1]

Originally Posted by precocity

I wonder what he used on big brown

Winstrol.

[Hanover1]

Originally Posted by Tom

Due process of the game protecting us form the likes of this repeat violator.
When is enough enough?????

I understand betting on a tainted product is unwise? (see rigged wheel....).
Until uniform legislation is seen, its status quo, and WE know it.

[johnhannibalsmith]

Originally Posted by Tom

Due process of the game protecting us form the likes of this repeat violator.
When is enough enough?????

Tom, unfortunately at times, the game doesn't exist outside of the state statutes that protect everyone in the state.

I've gained a modicum of sympathy for stewards and commissions that try to do the right thing from time to time, but unfortunately, know their own rules better than those of the state at large.

The bending over backwards in recent years to afford due process in many cases is a direct result of litigation filed by attorneys (appeals, etc) that can find just one flaw in the process of those presiding over racing and turn the whole shabang on its head.

I don't mean to suggest that penalties aren't tough enough or guys shouldn't be run off with a summary suspension pending a hearing, but the moment anyone within racing does just one itty bitty thing wrong from the perspective of the courts, the groundwork is laid for nothing to happen.

Everyone has an attorney now it seems and what you have now are appellate courts dictating protocol. I don't know what the solution is exactly, but I do know that the "due process" stems less from officials wanting to help out horsemen and more from officials not wanting to be made to look like complete fools on appeal.

[precocity]

Originally Posted by Hanover1

Winstrol.

not in the Belmont

[tzipi]

Just throw the guy out of the sport. This is why people look at the sport and stay away.
You have to give a horse painkillers, but you're running him today?

[Hanover1]

Originally Posted by precocity

not in the Belmont

Horse had been off it, and rider needed it.......(reminds me of instructions overheard once: "If you cannot win, pull up".....)

[exiles]

http://www.arci.com/nysrwbletter.pdf