What is the MatchUp?

[jeebus1083]

What is the MatchUp?

Im a Sartinite and am curious.

[justin13892002]

Jim "the Hat" Bradshaw came up with this approach.

The idea, is to select a line from the horses PP's that best suites what you think it will do today.

Analyze the horses normal running style, E,EP,P or S

Then decide after figuring out what all the horses are, whether the race will be won by an early horse or other than early. Cross out whatever horses are not of the style you choose.

Ex: If you choose early, kick out all the Other than Early horses, and vice versa.


Then between the horses that are left, match-up the running lines and see who can keep up with todays pace. If they cant keep up, toss them.



I am not the best at describing it, but am a Strong supporter of Jim, Howard and Pace and Cap. They can probably help you out a lot more than myself. Such as Richie, who in my opinion, can match-up better than MANY!!!



WWW.Paceandcap.com

They have tons of great info on it. There is even an area just for the match-up

[LARRY GEORGE]

the match up was explained to me by sartin and bradshaw was to find the key
horse who likely will be setting the pace and match the other horses against
the key horse eliminate the horses that don't matchup.

[Overlay]

Originally Posted by jeebus1083

What is the MatchUp?

Im a Sartinite and am curious.

You might also check out this previous thread:

http://www.paceadvantage.com/forum/s...light=Match-Up

[Ted Craven]

Might as well go straight to the horses mouth (so to speak): www.paceandcap.com/matchup. Start with the '5 Step Approach' document, then work your way through the various exercises outlined by RichieP, also the earlier posts by 'The Hat'. Ongoing matchup analysis of current interesting races in the related 'Matchers' Forum.

Ted

[shoelessjoe]

Larry,Fortunately you were taught the match up the right way not just to sell computer programs which by the way The Hat detested.

[Charlie D]

The Match Up is the essence of the Sartin Methodology.


From what i gather it was through the Sartin Methodology Jim Bradshaw learnt the Match Up

[46zilzal]

The MATCH UP is a concept not a Biblical law: it compares how each horse runs against the same sort of idea that Pizz had with the fulcrum

[shoelessjoe]

Actually if you go back and look at Taulbot's writings in the 50's he speaks of it as well,It seems quite a bit of Taulbot's teachings were used by Sartin.Pizzolla on his CD talks about how he was greatly influenced by him.

[thelyingthief]

"it's just a hoss-race: one horse goes to the front and the rest try to catch 'em."

although some what flippant, this IS the match-up.

tlt-

[Partsnut]

The concept of the "Match Up" was brought about by the late Jim Bradshaw in the late 80's an early 90's. It is not rocket science. However simple it appears to be, it still confuses many because of the mystical connotations attached to it as it did some 20 years ago.This was simply a marketing ploy to make a simple concept saleable. For some it might be the way to go but for the knowledgeable, professional level and astute player, "value" is the only way to travel. Talk to the real teachers of the game ( Cramer, Meadows, Pizzola, Fiero, Purdy and Glendon Jones) and read whay they have written.
From what I can remember, Barry Meadows openly distained the practices of the late Howard Sartin and openly expressed his feeling about him and I totally concur with him.

The Sartin group is still about marketing products and I am of the opinion that
with them, it all about the money. The software they currently offer is just a re-hash of what was offered 20 -30 years ago and remains as undecisive as it was then and uses data files (which they get a piece of) which are more expensive and causes their latest program to occasionally crash. Let the buyer beware. In my opinion, the practices they are currently using are far less then ethical. It is obvious as to what they are doing and there are those that see it and comment to me about it on a daily basis..

[46zilzal]

Originally Posted by Partsnut

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The software they currently offer is just a re-hash of what was offered 20 -30 years ago and remains as undecisive as it was then and uses data files (which they get a piece of) which are more expensive and causes their latest program to occasionally crash. .

HARDLY the case as many of us who use it have proven for YEARS

[arno]

Partsnut

I do believe you will get many responses to your opinions on Sartin and his methodology.

Let me be the first to say you are not part nuts at all, you are perfectly sane.
Everythng you said was true. Howard was like the snake oil salesman of the 1800's. He did not know about horse racing and never wanted to learn.

It's been a pleasure to know handicappers like Len Friedman and CJ, players who
enjoy the thrill of handicapping and are not afraid to show their opinions at the mutual windows.

[Lefty]

Strike up the band. On this one, I agree with Zilly!

[46zilzal]

Originally Posted by Lefty

Strike up the band. On this one, I agree with Zilly!

as per usual, the detractors of the method go after the promoters since the IDEAS are as sound as ever.

Sartin was the living embodiment of PT Barnum, and, just like him, had a good product to sell.