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06-22-2019, 07:44 PM
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#481
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Originally Posted by delayjf
So you support a limited strike against Iran?
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I said earlier that attacks on civilian merchant shipping is a bridge too far.
Freedom of Navigation is something we've swore to uphold. It's too large of a breaking of the rules and required some sort of response.
That is no different than Obama chucking his Syria redline.
I'm not sure striking Iran proper is/was the right move. Maybe blowing up some IRGC camps somewhere. I sure as hell don't support ignoring it and calling it "some very minor things" like the President did.
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06-22-2019, 10:15 PM
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#482
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Schindler's List
Oskar Schindler: Power is when we have every justification to kill, and we don't.
Amon Goeth: You think that's power?
Oskar Schindler: That's what the Emperor said. A man steals something, he's brought in before the Emperor, he throws himself down on the ground. He begs for his life, he knows he's going to die. And the Emperor... pardons him. This worthless man, he lets him go.
Amon Goeth: I think you are drunk.
Oskar Schindler: That's power, Amon. That is power.
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06-22-2019, 11:06 PM
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#483
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That is no different than Obama chucking his Syria redline.
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Totally different.
Trump never promised to protect shipping lanes.
Obama specifically drew the pink line and backed down.
It is not over yet.....you don't punt on second down.
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06-22-2019, 11:12 PM
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#484
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Originally Posted by MargieRose
Schindler's List
Oskar Schindler: Power is when we have every justification to kill, and we don't.
Amon Goeth: You think that's power?
Oskar Schindler: That's what the Emperor said. A man steals something, he's brought in before the Emperor, he throws himself down on the ground. He begs for his life, he knows he's going to die. And the Emperor... pardons him. This worthless man, he lets him go.
Amon Goeth: I think you are drunk.
Oskar Schindler: That's power, Amon. That is power.
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I couldn't agree more. 
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06-23-2019, 01:50 AM
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#485
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom
Totally different.
Trump never promised to protect shipping lanes.
Obama specifically drew the pink line and backed down.
It is not over yet.....you don't punt on second down.
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I am with you on some of it, President Donald J. Trump kinda did when he raised his hand and took the oath of office. So I do agree with you that it is not over yet. But also agree with Mike that he has been hamstrung by the degenerate left (my use of wording not Mikes). This President has unjustly been hurt by leftist courts in the travel ban and other attacks by the liberal lower court. Should Iran fire on our ships or our obligations to protect Nations we have agreements with resulting in a loss of life he has the unconditional authority to respond within 48 hours without the Congress and its approval. In short they fire on us he can destroy their whole Navy in one day and there is nothing Nancy Pelosi can do about it. This is just something that is going to have to play out. Because he is hamstrung he has many around him advising exactly what the correct measured response is, and the next action by Iran may mean taking into consideration as part of the measured response the next infraction merits plus what they just did. Should Iran strike by proxies lets say Israel and they go to war with Iran we would have no option to back them up, new technology will be used that will make Iran wish that they never were a country. This is really coming to a head in a ugly way, but the truth is we have all the cards and this is fixed to the point they can not prolong anything or win.
Last edited by fast4522; 06-23-2019 at 02:00 AM.
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06-23-2019, 11:07 PM
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#486
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Look into the crystal ball........
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06-24-2019, 02:03 AM
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That would be a backwards move, I think the thought of a new deal is a farce. I don't really think that we are looking for a new deal, making deals with terrorists is like expecting cockroaches to not do their thing.
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06-24-2019, 07:58 AM
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Originally Posted by fast4522
That would be a backwards move, I think the thought of a new deal is a farce. I don't really think that we are looking for a new deal, making deals with terrorists is like expecting cockroaches to not do their thing.
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Yup he wants the same deal with NKorea, no nukes for you.Deal or no deal.
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06-24-2019, 08:41 AM
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Originally Posted by woodtoo
Yup he wants the same deal with NKorea, no nukes for you.Deal or no deal.
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Nuclear weapons were not the main reason for breaking the deal.
Under the deal Iran was unable to get weapons for years... now they say they'll begin enriching beyond reactor levels in 2 weeks.
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06-24-2019, 08:42 AM
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#490
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Quote:
Originally Posted by fast4522
That would be a backwards move, I think the thought of a new deal is a farce. I don't really think that we are looking for a new deal, making deals with terrorists is like expecting cockroaches to not do their thing.
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So why didn't we strike?
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Originally Posted by fast4522
They will make a big mistake in the Gulf of Oman and we will light them up.
Instead of taking their people into their courts they will hang them from balconies.
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Last edited by elysiantraveller; 06-24-2019 at 08:52 AM.
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06-24-2019, 09:41 AM
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#492
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Originally Posted by elysiantraveller
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Obama already is.
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06-24-2019, 10:12 AM
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#493
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Originally Posted by davew
Obama already is.
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Yes the United States actively withdrew from the world stage under Obama... 
Obama was bad at foreign policy but this is self-imposed retreat.
The President literally invited a more expansive and aggressive Chinese Navy... what could go wrong?
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06-24-2019, 10:14 AM
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#494
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Originally Posted by elysiantraveller
Nuclear weapons were not the main reason for breaking the deal.
Under the deal Iran was unable to get weapons for years... now they say they'll begin enriching beyond reactor levels in 2 weeks.
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My God man the the heck are you smoking? 
Iran is now dangling by a thread and that thread is about to snap leaving them in a total failed downward spiral. They are caught in the crosshairs desperately trying any and all bazaar solutions for a way out.
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06-24-2019, 10:19 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by elysiantraveller
Nuclear weapons were not the main reason for breaking the deal.
Under the deal Iran was unable to get weapons for years... now they say they'll begin enriching beyond reactor levels in 2 weeks.
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They were paid off in $billions in cash to take a break until the next administration and then do whatever the hell they want.
Superb agreement...............for Iran.
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