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09-24-2018, 09:21 PM
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Originally Posted by elysiantraveller
Um no...
But hey it's your version of what happened.
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Any idea why some folks would be against the un-redacted FISA warrant application (that was approved 4 different times)?
https://www.americanthinker.com/blog...rter_page.html
Not MY version. 
When the truth comes out, some will choose to accept it, and some will not.
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09-24-2018, 09:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Track Collector
Any idea why some folks would be against the un-redacted FISA warrant application (that was approved 4 different times)?
https://www.americanthinker.com/blog...rter_page.html
Not MY version.
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Why are you relying on the American Thinkers interpretation of a heavily White House redacted FISA memo release meant to suit their narrative?
Nevermind the other heavily White House redacted memos.
Nevermind it doesn't really say anything about Trump being spied on.
Do me a favor... pull up all the released classified items regarding Trump Tower, Trump himself, and wire taps.
When you find something that supports your initial post let me know.
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09-24-2018, 11:03 PM
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Originally Posted by elysiantraveller
How are his "conservative" credentials any stronger than the guy he'd be replacing?
Hint... they aren't.
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Really? So, what are Rosenstein's "rock-ribbed" conservative (as Francisco has been described) credentials?
When was the last time that you heard Rosenstein being referred to as a conservative? Just a few months ago, eleven conservative lawmakers in the House of Representatives moved to impeach the guy...
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09-24-2018, 11:09 PM
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Originally Posted by elysiantraveller
How are his "conservative" credentials any stronger than the guy he'd be replacing?
Hint... they aren't.
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Hint...yes they are.....
Next...
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09-24-2018, 11:22 PM
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Originally Posted by MargieRose
Really? So, what are Rosenstein's "rock-ribbed" conservative (as Francisco has been described) credentials?
When was the last time that you heard Rosenstein being referred to as a conservative? Just a few months ago, eleven conservative lawmakers in the House of Representatives moved to impeach the guy...
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His multiple appointments by incumbent Republicans including Trump.
Was part of the Clinton impeachment team.
Long history of prosecutorial success against organized crime and white collar criminals.
Staunch defender of Reagan during his college years as seen below...
But I digress... it appears he and Trump don't get along so he must not be right...?
The guy who in the same time frame has gone from Republican->Democrat->Reform-> back to Democrat-> back to Republican is the penultimate authority of what a conservative is these days?
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09-24-2018, 11:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Clydepuckett
Hint...yes they are.....
Next...
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Not really... they look pretty similar.
One just hasn't angered the Trump free-base movement yet.
Let me guess... Mueller and Sessions aren't conservative either right?
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09-25-2018, 12:04 AM
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Originally Posted by elysiantraveller
His multiple appointments by incumbent Republicans including Trump.
Was part of the Clinton impeachment team.
Long history of prosecutorial success against organized crime and white collar criminals.
Staunch defender of Reagan during his college years as seen below...
But I digress... it appears he and Trump don't get along so he must not be right...?
The guy who in the same time frame has gone from Republican->Democrat->Reform-> back to Democrat-> back to Republican is the penultimate authority of what a conservative is these days? |
What's Trump got to do with what was MY opinion about a particular conservative?  Did he express an opinion about Fancisco? I said that I like the fact that Francisco is a strong conservative. You seem to think that Rosenstein is equally as strong a conservative. I don't.
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09-25-2018, 12:09 AM
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Originally Posted by MargieRose
What's Trump got to do with what was MY opinion about a particular conservative? Did he express an opinion about Fancisco? I said that I like the fact that Francisco is a strong conservative. You seem to think that Rosenstein is equally as strong a conservative. I don't. |
I articulated why I felt that way.
You did not.
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09-25-2018, 12:21 AM
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Originally Posted by elysiantraveller
Not really... they look pretty similar.
One just hasn't angered the Trump free-base movement yet.
Let me guess... Mueller and Sessions aren't conservative either right?
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What makes Muelller conservative?
And when your Congressperson becomes a Redskin fan, they are in the swamp. Hello Jeff Sessions. The lobbyists have awesome suites.
And Rosenstein's replacement hates the Mueller investigation.....maybe not the man, but the process.
Last edited by Clydepuckett; 09-25-2018 at 12:26 AM.
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09-25-2018, 02:35 AM
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Originally Posted by classhandicapper
I already explained what I think the "deep state" is.
I just don't know the names of all the individuals.
It's a loosely related group of people within the intelligence community, mainstream media, and wealthy private interests that try to shape public opinion and impose their own politics on the country. They are willing to spin, lie, deceive, be corrupt, kill people, etc... to accomplish their personal political and economic goals.
And when I say "kill people" I don't just mean in war. I am including false flag operations and assassinations (probably even kill Americans).
Gangsters kill people all the time for small change compared to the stakes in international economics and politics. Why would anyone be naive enough to think people aren't getting whacked for massively higher stakes?
Conspiracy theories abound because people intuitively know this kind of stuff is going on. They just can't prove the details of any case. That's not surprising though when much of the media is part of the deep state.
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Here is one you should like...tell me what you think, ok..?
http://www.softpanorama.org/Skeptics..._structure.png
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09-25-2018, 02:58 AM
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09-25-2018, 01:12 PM
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The Voice of Reason!
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What makes Muelller conservative?
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Delusions.
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Who does the Racing Form Detective like in this one?
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09-25-2018, 03:10 PM
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“Still the fact remains: in 2016 financial oligarchy not only failed to put the desired puppet into White House, and was forced to unleash a color revolution against new POTUS ( Russiagate witch hunt is only the tip of the iceberg in this sense) to put him into compliance, or depose him.
Neoliberals and neocons also failed with their color revolution as Brennan machinations (As Professor Stephen Cohen noted Russiagate should be renamed to Intelgate) with Steele dossier backfired that they got under fire from Trump supporters. And both Brennan and FBI Mayberry Machiavellians suddenly from predators became a pray.
Neoliberal Democrats (Clinton wing of Democratic Party, of DemoRats) while managed to preserve political power over the party of suppress Sunders supporters, overplayed their hand with Russiagate and neo-McCarthyism campaign (which was designed to rally nation around the flag) and might face consequences during midterm elections.
Their only hope is help from the Grand Inquisitor, appointed as a part of coup d'état against Trump launched by intelligence agencies (the core of the "deep state"), Mr. Mueller.”
http://www.softpanorama.org/Skeptics...ic/index.shtml
If Mueller fails to bring down Trump, the Neoliberal “Washington Consensus” will have no choice but to attempt a more serious threat...Trump knows this and has already moved toward the Neocon position in foreign policy, ala Bolton, and Nikki Halley(shabbos goy)...Neoconservativism is just Neoliberalism, only WITH A GUN...
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09-25-2018, 03:16 PM
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From the link above:
Trumpism which sometimes is defined as "economic nationalism" includes the following (partially intersecting) elements which are anathema to classic neoliberalism:
Rejection of neoliberal globalization. Use of tariffs to protect domestic manufacturing.
Rejection of unrestricted immigration. Vigorous persecution and deportation of illegal immigrants and measures to block their entry (Mexican wall, etc)
Fight against suppression of wages by multinationals via cheap imported labor. Rejection of the idea of global labor market and unrestricted outsourcing of labor to foreign countries. Legal measures against multinationals who tried to offload major part of workforce abroad.
Fight against the elimination of meaningful, well-paying jobs in the USA via outsourcing and offshoring of manufacturing (which is the essence of neoliberal globalization). Attempts to reverse this trend.
Rejection of wars for enlargement and sustaining of neoliberal empire, especially NATO role as global policemen and wars for Washington client Israel in the Middle East;
Détente with Russia;
More pragmatic relations with Israel and suppression of Israeli agents of influence in congress and government (AIPAC and so called dual citizens problem;
Attempt to reverse the offshoring of manufacturing and labor to China and India, as well as addressing the problem of trade deficit;
Rejection of total surveillance on all citizens;
The cut of military expenses to one third or less of the current level and concentrating on revival on national infrastructure, education, and science.
Abandonment of maintenance of the "sole superpower" status and global neoliberal empire for more practical and less costly "semi-isolationist" foreign policy;
Closing of unnecessary foreign military bases and cutting aid to the current clients.
I agree with these objectives.
Last edited by VigorsTheGrey; 09-25-2018 at 03:18 PM.
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09-25-2018, 03:54 PM
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Please don't mix up conservative, libertarian, republican and Trump.
They are all different things flying under the banner of republican in the same way socialists and "new democrats" under BILL Clinton were under the banner of democrats even though they were miles apart too.
Trump has created a new coalition of republicans that combines blue collar democrats that lost their jobs as part of free trade and regulations, the military, the police and other law enforcement, low tax republicans, non foreign involvement libertarians, and anti open border members of both parties.
It's a NEW party.
That's why people from all over the political map are trying to destroy him.
If you ask is "so and so" a republican or conservative, you aren't asking the right question. The question is how does he feel about trade, the border, relations with Russia, military expansion overseas etc... It doesn't matter what he calls himself. If he's not on board with the new republican party he's trying to destroy Trump.
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