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07-02-2014, 12:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Jeff P
True.
But to concentrate solely on horsemen while at the same willfully ignoring the needs and wants of the long time horseplayer is pure business folly too.
Handle update for the other CDI track (Arlington) as of 06-29-2014:
http://www.playersboycott.org/apx06292014.html
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I didn't suggest that.
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07-02-2014, 01:12 PM
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I kind of suspected that.
Q. Are you the same Andy C who was part of the NTRA Players Panel?
Link:
http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-raci...ecommendations
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07-02-2014, 08:36 PM
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#363
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Originally Posted by AndyC
Of course the customer can be wrong. They are never wrong regarding their opinions but they can certainly be wrong about facts.
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"There are no facts, only interpretations." -- Friedrich Nietzsche
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07-02-2014, 08:38 PM
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#364
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07-02-2014, 08:44 PM
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Originally Posted by AndyC
So I guess a bettor would also be a supplier if they cash a bet. Doesn't a horse owner also have to have his/her horse win to get paid as well?
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Some horsemen pay entry fees to enter a race. So the lines of demarcation can be blurry.
Bettors and horsemen lose money for the most part.
The track needs horsemen and bettors. Bettors don't need horsemen or tracks. There are plenty of things to wager on.
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07-02-2014, 11:32 PM
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As has been pointed out many times, both the horsemen and the tracks need the bettors. The bettors don't need either. We can always find something to bet on.
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Some day in the not too distant future, horse players will betting on computer generated races over the net. Race tracks will become casinos and shopping centers. And some crooner will be belting out "there used to be a race track here".
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07-02-2014, 11:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Robert Goren
As has been pointed out many times, both the horsemen and the tracks need the bettors. The bettors don't need either. We can always find something to bet on.
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As has also been pointed out, CD raises prices to dissuade people from betting. They get to claim the racing industry is suffering. Politicians fearing backlash from their constituents in a racing friendly state approve slot machines and eventually table games. Everybody wins -- except anti-gambling interests.
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07-03-2014, 07:54 AM
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Originally Posted by AndyC
Interesting perspective. Not sure how owners/trainers can be enticed to run their horses more often.
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I wonder if the opposite were true. Maybe they would run more often like the good ole days if purses were a little lower. A little extreme but, if purses keep going up, just run your horse twice a year. If purses are low, you need to race more often.
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07-03-2014, 11:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Longshot6977
I wonder if the opposite were true. Maybe they would run more often like the good ole days if purses were a little lower. A little extreme but, if purses keep going up, just run your horse twice a year. If purses are low, you need to race more often.
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I think the more likely result would be that fewer owners could afford to stay in the game.
I think that in the good ole days horses did not go through the diagnostic evaluations that horses do today. As a result horses were run with maladies that would surely sideline a horse today. Progress in the care for horses but problematic for a track trying to fill a racecard.
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09-12-2014, 12:27 PM
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Was notified today that Churchill and Fairgrounds will not be offered any longer by my ADW, they refused to renew their contract.
Strong arm tactics to get players to bet thru them. I have cut my bets on Churchill 80% this will move it to 100%.
RIP Churchill, Fairgrounds and Arlington!!!
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09-12-2014, 12:43 PM
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Good move.
They can increase their losses even more.
Good.
Hope they fold.
Pretty soon, Finger Lakes will be offering larger Allowance purses than these amateurs.
CD FG AP - no need to ever even look at the PPS - all three offer sub-standard racing.
Compared to NYRA, this is the bush league circuit.
Always has been, always will be.
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09-12-2014, 01:59 PM
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AM Wager no longer taking CD or FG
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09-12-2014, 03:38 PM
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Originally Posted by highnote
... The track needs horsemen and bettors. Bettors don't need horsemen or tracks. There are plenty of things to wager on.
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Originally Posted by Robert Goren
As has been pointed out many times, both the horsemen and the tracks need the bettors. The bettors don't need either. We can always find something to bet on.
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Until CDI gets it, this should be the mantra all bettors should include when communicating with them.
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Originally Posted by AndyC
I think the more likely result would be that fewer owners could afford to stay in the game. ...
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Isn't this one reason for "A", "B", "C" and "D" tracks, so the horses can stay competitive.
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09-13-2014, 11:07 AM
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Churchill Downs Inc. seeking to sell Fair Grounds:
http://www.theneworleansadvocate.com...inc-seeking-to
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Three months after the Fair Grounds’ parent company promised to make significant upgrades to the venerable Gentilly race track, it has put the track up for sale.
Multiple sources familiar with the situation said Friday that Churchill Downs Inc., which has owned the Fair Grounds plus its 11 off-track betting facilities since 2004, has enlisted JPMorgan Chase to solicit requests for proposals from other gaming interests around the country, with a deadline of Wednesday.
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09-13-2014, 03:04 PM
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Originally Posted by highnote
Some horsemen pay entry fees to enter a race. So the lines of demarcation can be blurry.
Bettors and horsemen lose money for the most part.
The track needs horsemen and bettors. Bettors don't need horsemen or tracks. There are plenty of things to wager on.
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Totally true.
A lot of horsemen have no clue that bettors and betting is the sole reason they're employed in their chosen field. For horsemen To not embrace bettors and thank them on a daily basis is something i'll never understand, they act like the game would run with or without bettors or betting, just listen to Madeline Auerbach talk down to Andy Asaro at the CHRB meetings and you can get the full brunt of how horsemen view bettors and anyone who's an advocate for bettors.
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