Why wasn't Bodexpress considered a non starter?

[Suff]

Originally Posted by woodbinepmi

That's a little harsh. THAT'S THE JOKE.

I'm just f'n around. its funny if you read as intended to be comedy.

[woodbinepmi]

It's a joke in poor taste then.

[Suff]

Originally Posted by woodbinepmi

It's a joke in poor taste then.

I'm working on raising my standards.

[cj]

This was not the starter's fault. It was 100% the horse.

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Still pictures can be deceiving.

[bobphilo]

Originally Posted by GMB@BP

Feel like the horse pulled his head down and left (or right from the jocks perspective) when the starter was trying to keep it straight, with that movement and the gate opening it seems like there was a slight delay. This is different then when a starter is holding the horse and does not let go causing the horse to rear. This horse brought on his own trouble and it was not caused by the starter holding the horse too long as the gates opened.

It does seem like the starter was holding the horse the instant they were off to keep him in position and that would be OK. The question is how quickly he let him go considering reaction time. That is difficult to judge but it seems the horse was responsible as JV said.

[king kong]

Another way to have a tough beat!

[bpiets]

Me thinks that so many would require a refund and all the payouts changed that the administration simply did not want the task of a refund or a secondary payout in the exotic tickets...it would have been a refund based on an unfair start in any other race, so once again, fairness to the gambler has failed to be applied....

[098poi]

Watch the NBC replay of the race and look at the from the very beginning. Even as the announcer is saying Improbable is restless in the gate the 's head and feet are very busy. I can't fault the starter.

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[bobphilo]

Originally Posted by bpiets

Me thinks that so many would require a refund and all the payouts changed that the administration simply did not want the task of a refund or a secondary payout in the exotic tickets...it would have been a refund based on an unfair start in any other race, so once again, fairness to the gambler has failed to be applied....

Given the evidence, including the jocks own words, this was a fair start as in any race. The fact that it made things easier for the track is irrelevant given these facts. Once again, fairness has been applied.

[Wabash]

Originally Posted by Suff

That's Johnny V's professionalism. The starter was at fault. imho

Then bettors should blame Johnny V. for not getting a refund. I’m sure what the jockey says has a great deal of weight in a stewards decision. If he truly thought the starter was at fault, he should have said something.

[Robert Fischer]

1. Bodexpress caused his own problem and reared and dumped the jockey. There is no blame whatsoever to be placed on the starter. Fine to disagree w/ me on this point, but bluntly, it's wrong/ignorant.
2. It's worth questioning whether the current rule is fair. Bodexpress was never part of the race. It's arguable that he was never a 'starter'. Someone(just not me) should be investing time and energy in searching for the best general solution of the general rule, and exploring/explaining positives/negatives of different possible rule standards/interpretations, and then in explaining the rule when events such as these happen.

[dilanesp]

Originally Posted by Robert Fischer

1. Bodexpress caused his own problem and reared and dumped the jockey. There is no blame whatsoever to be placed on the starter. Fine to disagree w/ me on this point, but bluntly, it's wrong/ignorant.
2. It's worth questioning whether the current rule is fair. Bodexpress was never part of the race. It's arguable that he was never a 'starter'. Someone(just not me) should be investing time and energy in searching for the best general solution of the general rule, and exploring/explaining positives/negatives of different possible rule standards/interpretations, and then in explaining the rule when events such as these happen.

I don't like making horses nonstarters unless their gate doesn't open or something.

A bad start ie just another form of racing luck. Racing luck is part of the game.

[Suff]

Originally Posted by Wabash

Then bettors should blame Johnny V. for not getting a refund. .

Once the gate opens its a race. no matter.

[Wabash]

Originally Posted by Suff

Once the gate opens its a race. no matter.

I agree. But you blamed the starter, I didn’t and neither did Johnny V. You said he didn’t blame the start because of Professionalism. Wrong, he didn’t blame the starter because it wasn’t his fault.

[depalma113]

The assistant starter blew it.