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04-12-2019, 01:15 PM
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'88'
Horses can't read the form.
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Originally Posted by señorclipclop
Never was a win contender to me
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That's my opinion as well.
Where did he just run? Bluegrass? That was the race where Vekoma was going to either win easily or falter. There wasn't any worry about Win Win Win.
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If you love the horse, then bet him. If you aren't into him, toss him.
'88' is not great if you're on the fence, but a horse like this is going to contend because of a pace collapse(as opposed to winning because of a big fig effort). Have to factor that in
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04-14-2019, 11:33 AM
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He looks a little slow off his last race, but imo his last was somewhat better than it looks given the trip and imo how the track was playing that day.
He's not good enough to win unless you think he's going to take a leap forward or get some once in a lifetime dream trip, but at a big price I could see him filling out the triple or super.
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04-14-2019, 01:37 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by biggestal99
Monarchos.
Silver charm
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Monarchos did win the Florida Derby but lost the Wood Memorial afterwards.
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04-14-2019, 04:18 PM
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For what its worth Win Win Win has 5 derby winners and 4 belmont winners in his pedigree.
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04-14-2019, 08:00 PM
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after he blows up the tri in the Derby, Beyer will adjust his figure higher
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04-15-2019, 12:35 AM
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Perhaps I'm speaking more from sentimentality, but I'm not tossing Win Win Win just yet. He did set a track record at Tampa Bay in his first race of the year. His poor starts are a cause for concern, but he came from nowhere to grab second in the Bluegrass. If he gets a decent trip (which is always a big IF in the Derby), I don't see why he couldn't close well to be in the exacta or trifecta.
As for Beyer numbers, they get adjusted so much that I find it hard to pay attention to them anymore.
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04-15-2019, 03:21 PM
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Irad Ortiz will ride Improbable and Julian Pimentel will be back on Win Win Win.
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04-15-2019, 04:16 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by PowerUpPaynter
Irad Ortiz will ride Improbable and Julian Pimentel will be back on Win Win Win.
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WWW's value just went way down while Improbable gets a boost. Irad is on fire.
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04-15-2019, 04:37 PM
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You could take the view that Aqu being deep and tiring will be a stamina builder. With so few prep races anymore, horses with a stamina edge might be worth a good look.
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04-15-2019, 05:39 PM
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Quote:
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You could take the view that Aqu being deep and tiring will be a stamina builder. With so few prep races anymore, horses with a stamina edge might be worth a good look.
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I somewhat like the top three in the Wood for different reasons but I'm asking myself, can Tacitus pickup 7 1/2 lengths on an Omaha, Game Winner, Improbable, or Maximum Security from the 3/4 pole? Or Haikal picking up 14 1/2 lengths? And hold off any other late chargers. I have never seen so many LP 95+ horses in the Brisnet PPs. One of my favorite exacta angles is borderline useless this year.
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04-15-2019, 06:44 PM
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I have two ratings I use to supplement LP.
LP+SP (Tacitus = 204, Omaha = 203)
TT+LP
(E2-E1)+LP (Tacitus = 9+100 = 109, Omaha = 0+104 = 104)
I also use this second one in long turf races with good results (over 1 mile)
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04-15-2019, 07:18 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom
You could take the view that Aqu being deep and tiring will be a stamina builder. With so few prep races anymore, horses with a stamina edge might be worth a good look.
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Santa Anita was also a very deep track...
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04-15-2019, 07:21 PM
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In regards to Tacitus, and i know this is so mind numbingly basic but when was the last time a gray horse won the derby... 
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04-15-2019, 07:32 PM
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I am guessing that it was probably none other than Silver Charm. What a game horse... 
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04-15-2019, 07:42 PM
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In regards to Tacitus, and i know this is so mind numbingly basic but when was the last time a gray horse won the derby... |
Silver Charm?
As far Tacitus, those Tapit colts have had far better luck in the Belmont than the Derby. He does look better than most that have come out of the Wood however I liked Frosted better at this point in 2015 who managed a respectable 4th behind a tough trio in Kentucky.
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