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Old 09-20-2004, 02:34 AM   #1
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Cool Is Dan Rather Done?

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September 20, 2004

CBS News Concludes It Was Misled on National Guard Memos, Network Officials Say
By JIM RUTENBERG

After days of expressing confidence about the documents used in a "60 Minutes'' report that raised new questions about President Bush's National Guard service, CBS News officials have grave doubts about the authenticity of the material, network officials said last night.

The officials, who asked not to be identified, said CBS News would most likely make an announcement as early as today that it had been deceived about the documents' origins. CBS News has already begun intensive reporting on where they came from, and people at the network said it was now possible that officials would open an internal inquiry into how it moved forward with the report. Officials say they are now beginning to believe the report was too flawed to have gone on the air.

But they cautioned that CBS News could still pull back from an announcement. Officials met last night with Dan Rather, the anchor who presented the report, to go over the information it had collected about the documents one last time before making a final decision. Mr. Rather was not available for comment late last night.

The report relied in large part on four memorandums purported to be from the personal file of Mr. Bush's squadron commander, Lt. Col. Jerry B. Killian, who died 20 years ago. The memos, dated from the early 1970's, said that Colonel Killian was under pressure to "sugar coat'' the record of the young Lieutenant Bush and that the officer had disobeyed a direct order to take a physical.

Mr. Rather and others at the network are said to still believe that the sentiment in the memos accurately reflected Mr. Killian's feelings but that the documents' authenticity was now in grave doubt.

The developments last night marked a dramatic turn for CBS News, which for a week stood steadfastly by its Sept. 8 report as various document experts asserted that the typeface of the memos could have been produced only by a modern-day word processor, not Vietnam War-era typewriters.

The seemingly unflappable confidence of Mr. Rather and top news division officials in the documents allayed fears within the network and created doubt among some in the news media at large that those specialists were correct. CBS News officials had said they had reason to be certain that the documents indeed had come from the personal file of Colonel Killian.

Sandy Genelius, a network spokeswoman, said last week, "We are confident about the chain of custody; we're confident in how we secured the documents.''

But officials decided yesterday that they would most likely have to declare that they had been misled about the records' origin after Mr. Rather and a top network executive, Betsy West, met in Texas with a man who was said to have helped the news division obtain the memos, a former Guard officer named Bill Burkett.

Mr. Rather interviewed Mr. Burkett on camera this weekend, and several people close to the reporting process said his answers to Mr. Rather's questions led officials to conclude that their initial confidence that the memos had come from Mr. Killian's own files was not warranted. These people indicated that Mr. Burkett had previously led the producer of the piece, Mary Mapes, to have the utmost confidence in the material.

It was unclear last night if Mr. Burkett had told Mr. Rather that he had been misled about the documents' provenance or that he had been the one who did the misleading.

In an e-mail message yesterday, Mr. Burkett declined to answer any questions about the documents.

Yesterday, Emily J. Will, a document specialist who inspected the records for CBS News and said last week that she had raised concerns about their authenticity with CBS News producers, confirmed a report in Newsweek that a producer had told her that the source of the documents said they had been obtained anonymously and through the mail.

In an interview last night she declined to name the producer who told her this but said the producer was in a position to know. CBS News officials have disputed her contention that she warned the network the night before the initial "60 Minutes'' report that it would face questions from documents experts.

In the coming days CBS News officials plan to focus on how the network moved ahead with the report when there were warning signs that the memorandums were not genuine.

Ms. Will is one of two documents experts consulted by the network who said they raised doubts about the material before the segment was broadcast. Another expert, Marcel B. Matley, said in interviews that he had vouched only for Colonel Killian's signatures on the records and not the authenticity of the records themselves. Mr. Matley said he could not rule out that the signatures had been cut and pasted from official records pertaining to Colonel Killian.

In examining where the network had gone wrong, officials at CBS News turning their attention to Ms. Mapes, one of their most respected producers, who was riding particularly high this year after breaking news about the Abu Ghraib prison scandal for the network.

In a telephone interview this weekend, Josh Howard, the executive producer of the "60 Minutes'' Wednesday edition, said that he did not initially know who was Ms. Mapes' primary source for the documents but that he did not see any reason to doubt them. He said he believed Ms. Mapes and her team had appropriately answered all questions about the documents' authenticity and, he noted, no one seemed to be casting doubt upon the essential thrust of the report.

"The editorial story line was still intact, and still is, to this day,'' he said, "and the reporting that was done in it was by a person who has turned in decades of flawless reporting with no challenge to her credibility.''

He added, "We in management had no sense that the producing team wasn't completely comfortable with the results of the document analysis.''

Ms. Mapes has not responded to requests for comment.

Mr. Howard also said in the interview that the White House did not dispute the veracity of the documents when it was presented to them on the morning of the report. That reaction, he said, was "the icing on the cake'' of the other reporting the network was conducting on the documents. White House officials have said they saw no reason to challenge documents being presented by a credible news organization.

Several people familiar with the situation said they were girding for a particularly tough week for Mr. Rather and the news division should the network announce its new doubts.

One person close to the situation said the critical question would be, "Where was everybody's judgment on that last day?''
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Old 09-20-2004, 10:08 AM   #2
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If Brit Hume aired a show like Dan Rather did, but against Kerry, using fake documents......what would have been the response?
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Old 09-20-2004, 10:40 AM   #3
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Smile Will Secretariat Apoligize to the Board?

Wonder if Secretary will apologize after making such outlandish post as the one below:

[Posted by Sec]Now let me get this right.

1. Somehow Bill Burkett is now the definitive source for the CBS documents correct?

2. John Kerry somehow is connected with this Bill Burkett and in cahoots with Rather right?

3. Max Clelland met with Burkett (who is this source for CBS I guess) and he somehow decided to promote thise docs right?

I can see none of you guys studied syllogistic logic in school.

If you did some research this info with Bill Burkett came out before the year 2000. It's very old stuff.

1. You're consumed with innuendoes based on a source (which you think is Burkett for CBS - oh that's right, Elk knows),

2. You want to tie Rather to Kerry without a shred of a connection. I'm ok with you stating its your opinion that there was a connection, but you've nothing even remotely close.

3. Reading this article it appears Burkett tried to contact the Kerry group and got the run around. So what? I'm sure a lot of people contact the Kerry camp. Heck, I have and told them I'm voting for JFK. Does that make my connnection some type of conspiracy? I thought only the far left were the conspiracy buffs. I now see otherwise.

You guys ever gonna talk abotu the issues? I may disagree with Lefty on well just about everything, but I respect him in that he at least knows that its the issues that matter. You guys should subscribe to the National Inquirer.


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Man, these DemLibs are something else aren't they?

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Old 09-20-2004, 11:00 AM   #4
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Dan Rather--Stubborn Old Texan!!!

Don't get me wrong--I love Texans!!!!!

BUT, Dan Rather is way past his prime and has disgraced himself in this matter and ought to depart and give some younger people a chance at CBS.

BUT, you have to remember that Dan grew up under William Paley and like many said about President Clinton, it will take a derrick to get him out of the White House----WELL..............

It will take a Derrick to get Rather out of CBS News!!!

I'm hoping it happens=at 72/3 it's time to give someone else an opportunity Dan!!!! I still remember the way you taunted Richard Nixon and this time ole buddy--you picked on a fellow Texan--and you know what---I think you are toast!!!

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Old 09-20-2004, 02:33 PM   #5
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Other than his supposed interview with Staudt, I'll watch Rather for the last time tonight when he backtracks his so-called "breaking news". The guy has NO credibility anymore.

Texan or not, Rather is a liar without a conscience or a sense of ethics.
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Old 09-20-2004, 02:55 PM   #6
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JR?
If Brit Hume aired a show like Dan Rather did, but against Kerry, using fake documents......what would have been the response?
People would stop watching FOX. If cBS had simply made a mistake, it would be somewhat understandable. But that wasn't the case. Every day after Rathergate, cBS and Rather came out with new statements. They tried to spin it to their defense, just didn't work out.

cBS misled the public, then made matters worse for themselves afterwards. If ABC, FOX, NBC, etc make the same EFF UP, then they'll suffer the same concequences cBS will.., and that is lower ratings which in turn means sponsors going elsewhere.
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Old 09-20-2004, 03:18 PM   #7
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On CBS 'News' website, even though they are now admitting the errors on it, they still have their links to their memos and the documents from their experts etc. they used to support their case that they were legit!

For those who care or dare to link to CBS news, their links are in lower left of their webpage:

<http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/...in641481.shtml>
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Old 09-20-2004, 03:30 PM   #8
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Wow, Kerry's campaign screws up enough themselves, they certainly didn't need help from a reputable (well formerly reputable) icon...
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Old 09-20-2004, 03:37 PM   #9
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Yeah, with Kerry and Edwards having been so public about calling on Bush to "Stop the lies and the mud slinging" when it was the Swift Boat Vets who made their criticisms public and stood behind their words, right or wrong. Now his own supporters are caught spreading lies and commiting forgeries using the name of someone who'd been dead for nearly 20 years!

OK Mr. Kerry and Mr. Edwards! Stop Those Lies!

Oh yeah, and Dan Rather and CBS!

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Geez, I checked that link again, and you can watch the prior interview with Dan Rather explaining why the story is true and the documents are real!!! TOO DAMN FUNNY!!! LOL! LOL! (cough! cough!) LOL! (choke choke wheeze WUMP!......
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Other than his supposed interview with Staudt, I'll watch Rather for the last time tonight when he backtracks his so-called "breaking news". The guy has NO credibility anymore.

Texan or not, Rather is a liar without a conscience or a sense of ethics.
Maybe he can get a job over at the Daily Show.
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The Daily Show has too much integrity, and is in fact a better source of news...
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Old 09-20-2004, 09:01 PM   #13
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Actually, GT, I was thinking today that The Daily Show has more news content than cBS. I just can't this picture out of my head....Ramadan Rather doing that McCauley Culkin thing with his hands on his cheeks looking surprised, that John Stewart imitates so well!
Hehehe....cBS only got 2 emmies last night. Worst year since 1952. They need better writters in the news department.
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Interestingly enough Michael Moore sent out an email to the Democrats in attempt to rally the troops. He told them to stop watching any news except Moyers and John Stewart..............

that should tell you something...........
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Is there a doctor in the house?
We have an epidemic of reality bites to the arses here!
Going to need a crap-load of Bactine and band aids in here.
Oh, the humanity of it!
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