Epidemiologist: Why Lockdowns Are The Wrong Policy

[fast4522]

Originally Posted by hcap

I will stand up and leave. Boxcar will not. He thinks god installed Trump and Trump can't lose. So nothing will convince him he he did.

Take your grubby hands out of your sweaty pants Rudy.

You just hate those who can still function as a man.

[boxcar]

Originally Posted by fast4522

You just hate those who can still function as a man.

I wasn't aware that one has to "stand up" in order to leave a virtual space. If that's the case, it looks like I won't be leaving after all.

[hcap]

Originally Posted by Grape Ape

https://twitter.com/covid19tracking/...28202660954112

https://twitter.com/covid19tracking/...28209329901568

Welcome

[hcap]

Originally Posted by jocko699

Wow! You must be in graduate school.

And all you Covid truthers must not have enrolled in kindergarten yet.

Speak to your mommies.

[hcap]

Originally Posted by fast4522

You just hate those who can still function as a man.

I hate very SLOW ass holes like you who can't put two sentences together and must resort to personal insults to feel better about their feeble ability to cognate.

[hcap]

Originally Posted by boxcar

I wasn't aware that one has to "stand up" in order to leave a virtual space. If that's the case, it looks like I won't be leaving after all.

So you agree to our bet? Right?

[fast4522]

Originally Posted by boxcar

I wasn't aware that one has to "stand up" in order to leave a virtual space. If that's the case, it looks like I won't be leaving after all.

I don't expect that your going anywhere, Hcap and TJDave which goes first though.

[davew]

Originally Posted by hcap

I hate very SLOW ass holes like you who can't put two sentences together and must resort to personal insults to feel better about their feeble ability to cognate.

Was it Michelle 0bama that said 'When they go low, we hit the gutter'?

[tucker6]

Originally Posted by davew

Was it Michelle 0bama that said 'When they go low, we hit the gutter'?

No. She said, "when they go low, we'll win with experience".

[classhandicapper]

The testing/case relationship is partly a chicken and egg issue.

Only a complete fool (and we know who I am talking about) would deny that we had massively more cases than we recorded back in Feb, Mar, and Apr. We simply didn't have the testing capacity to find and count them.

Now, we can test over a million people a day. So we can find a higher percentage of all the outstanding new cases that are out there.

That makes the raw case count from late winter and spring to now irrelevant.

Only the media (morons and people with a political agenda) and regular people that don't understand the issues are looking at those raw case numbers.

On the flip side, it's hard to know what percentage of the testing is simply more and better capacity coming on stream and how much is demand from more people that are feeling sick.

Most of the smartest people I know have stopped looking at case data completely. They are tracking hospitalizations and ICU. Those counts have issues also, but they are more accurate than cases. Also, no one should really care much how many people are positive if they aren't getting very sick. Otherwise we'd lock down the country every common cold season when millions of people have sore throats, running noses, and mild fevers.

Hospitalizations are rising again just like they did in Phase2 when it hit FL, TX, AZ, CA etc.. hard but it's still WAY off the peak. Now those Phase 2 states are off their peaks (as predicted) but new states and areas within some states with lower infection rates are rising rapidly.

[classhandicapper]

Originally Posted by hcap

Some good news. Actually we have learned more since the outbreak of the virus so death rates have substantially dropped.

https://www.salon.com/2020/10/24/cov...s-cases-spike/

We were DRAMATICALLLY UNDERCOUNTING the case count in the beginning because of lack of testing capacity. So we overestimated the death rate. Plus, Cuomo and the boys already killed 10s of thousands of the most vulnerable in nursing homes, assisted living etc.. In the current phase, it's younger healthier people getting sick, we are finding more of them with more testing, and the IFR among those people is extremely low.

[davew]

on a positive note, flu deaths have dwindled to less than 3% typically seen

[hcap]

Originally Posted by davew

Was it Michelle 0bama that said 'When they go low, we hit the gutter'?

Tell that too Slow.

[boxcar]

Originally Posted by classhandicapper

The testing/case relationship is partly a chicken and egg issue.

Only a complete fool (and we know who I am talking about) would deny that we had massively more cases than we recorded back in Feb, Mar, and Apr. We simply didn't have the testing capacity to find and count them.

Now, we can test over a million people a day. So we can find a higher percentage of all the outstanding new cases that are out there.

That makes the raw case count from late winter and spring to now irrelevant.

Only the media (morons and people with a political agenda) and regular people that don't understand the issues are looking at those raw case numbers.

On the flip side, it's hard to know what percentage of the testing is simply more and better capacity coming on stream and how much is demand from more people that are feeling sick.

Most of the smartest people I know have stopped looking at case data completely. They are tracking hospitalizations and ICU. Those counts have issues also, but they are more accurate than cases. Also, no one should really care much how many people are positive if they aren't getting very sick. Otherwise we'd lock down the country every common cold season when millions of people have sore throats, running noses, and mild fevers.

Hospitalizations are rising again just like they did in Phase2 when it hit FL, TX, AZ, CA etc.. hard but it's still WAY off the peak. Now those Phase 2 states are off their peaks (as predicted) but new states and areas within some states with lower infection rates are rising rapidly.

The $64. question is: How many of those tests, that are not designed for covid, per the developer's own admission, are false positives?

[davew]

Originally Posted by boxcar

The $64. question is: How many of those tests, that are not designed for covid, per the developer's own admission, are false positives?

how about 'how many of those positives are the same person tested multiple times'?