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08-23-2018, 02:02 PM
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Originally Posted by mostpost
For all that verbiage, what you are saying is you don't believe them. Fine. We will find out. If, as you say, they didn't have to produce the evidence in court, then why even bring it up?
I believe the penalty would be perjury. knowingly making a false statement in court. And yes, attorneys-Defense or Prosecution-are subject to prosecution for perjury just like anyone else. I looked it up.
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Oh, I have no problem believing Trump directed Cohen to pay the ladies.
What I don't believe, is that the way these transactions were made constitutes a crime, just because a prosecutor says it's a crime and has Cohen plead guilty to something altogether different.
Ultimately, judges and juries tell us when crimes have been committed. Not prosecutors.
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08-23-2018, 02:03 PM
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#752
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Originally Posted by mostpost
evidence of a crime that never existed.
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Oh boy...now you're getting somewhere...concentrate on that line for a while...
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08-23-2018, 02:08 PM
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Originally Posted by OntheRail
Just because some hack said something and another quotes him... then first said it's been confirmed and second says we've now confirmed. Don't make it truthful, correct or so.
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What you said above, perfectly describes what entities such as Breitbart, Hot Air, Red State etc, do. They use each other as sources without independent confirmation.
If the New York Times reports something, CNN or MSNBC may say "The New York Times is reporting that..." They will not say "We can confirm..." unless they have independently talked to the sources or examined the documents.
That is the rule in the real media. Fox News is not a part of the real media.
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08-23-2018, 02:13 PM
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Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage
Oh boy...now you're getting somewhere...concentrate on that line for a while...
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The full quote: Are you talking about Pizzagate type evidence, also known as evidence of a crime that never existed.
What you referenced; Evidence of a crime that never existed.
Pizza Gate is a crime that never existed.
Russian collusion or conspiracy is a very real crime.
You didn't really think I would let you get away with that, did you?
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08-23-2018, 02:15 PM
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#755
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Evidence of a crime that never existed. Trump's payoff and FEC violations.
Cohen and the prosecutors provide evidence of a crime that never existed.
You're getting it! You're getting it!
Soon mostpost will be WOKE AF!
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08-23-2018, 02:23 PM
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#756
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Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage
Evidence of a crime that never existed. Trump's payoff and FEC violations.
Cohen and the prosecutors provide evidence of a crime that never existed.
You're getting it! You're getting it!
Soon mostpost will be WOKE AF!
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These laws are not that confusing. You are 1000% correct Trump may not have committed a crime. I don't doubt this.
Right now though you have on one side President Trump who has lied literally non-stop about this issue. That's not even remotely up for debate. Have you noticed that nobody is defending him right now? Not even his Press Secretary?
On the other side you have Cohen who pled guilty to the crime, the NY AG's office evidence of a crime, and now Pecker's immunity in exchange for testimony...
Again... he could be innocent. I don't doubt that. What we know though... it doesn't look good.
If he was any other elected official he would currently be indicted. President's can't be... sorta... kinda... whatever... the AG's and Special Investigator don't think he can and I'm inclined to agree its a bad precedent.
These are Trump Appointees here...
I said this is gonna get waaay worse and it will. There is a way out for him but you all think I'm crazy suggesting he take it. At best he's just a crooked as Hillary and a lot dumber... that's why he is in he situation he is in.
Last edited by elysiantraveller; 08-23-2018 at 02:25 PM.
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08-23-2018, 02:29 PM
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#757
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mostpost
What you said above, perfectly describes what entities such as Breitbart, Hot Air, Red State etc, do. They use each other as sources without independent confirmation.
If the New York Times reports something, CNN or MSNBC may say "The New York Times is reporting that..." They will not say "We can confirm..." unless they have independently talked to the sources or examined the documents.
That is the rule in the real media. Fox News is not a part of the real media.
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The Rule... 
We see the Merry-go-round of CNN said that on MSNBC to the Times... Post... back to CNN rag and repeat. You know it. The News is no longer about the truth... it's a cult of personalities and click bait. Just be the first to through it against the wall and see what sticks.
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08-23-2018, 02:33 PM
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Originally Posted by elysiantraveller
The first two are lies.
The rest are pretty interpretive.
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And you prove my point and Rudy's.. Thank You.
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08-23-2018, 02:37 PM
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Originally Posted by elysiantraveller
I said this is gonna get waaay worse and it will. There is a way out for him but you all think I'm crazy suggesting he take it. At best he's just a crooked as Hillary and a lot dumber... that's why he is in he situation he is in.
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This clip says it all.....Enjoy the show!
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08-23-2018, 02:46 PM
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Originally Posted by OntheRail
And you prove my point and Rudy's.. Thank You.
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The first one has resulted in dozens of indictments and a bunch of convictions so....
Rudy actually admitted the second one... then said it wasn't a crime.
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08-23-2018, 03:09 PM
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Originally Posted by elysiantraveller
The first one has resulted in dozens of indictments and a bunch of convictions so....
Rudy actually admitted the second one... then said it wasn't a crime.
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#1... Not one connected to so called Russsan Election Collusion... which was the supposed reason for the Investigation.
#2 See #1.
But We All know the true REASON for #1... Unseat a dueling Elected President that should never of WON in the eyes of " The ESTABLISHMENT ".
But your good with that.
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08-23-2018, 03:13 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OntheRail
#1... Not one connected to so called Russsan Election Collusion... which was the supposed reason for the Investigation.
#2 See #1.
But We All know the true REASON for #1... Unseat a dueling Elected President that should never of WON in the eyes of " The ESTABLISHMENT ".
But your good with that.
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Not yet... maybe not at all... that's why people investigate.
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08-23-2018, 03:22 PM
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#763
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Originally Posted by elysiantraveller
Again... he could be innocent. I don't doubt that. What we know though... it doesn't look good.
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Adultery rarely looks good, but it isn't a crime. That's all this is to me.
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08-23-2018, 03:23 PM
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Originally Posted by elysiantraveller
Not yet... maybe not at all... that's why people investigate.
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How does an investigation need to persist without ANY evidence of a crime before it should end?
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08-23-2018, 03:25 PM
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#765
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Quote:
Originally Posted by elysiantraveller
Not yet... maybe not at all... that's why people investigate.
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Question. After all this is said and done, would you agree, that as a matter of regular function, a special investigator be appointed along with every new Presidential election?
Let's add a wing to DOJ for this.
Every new President must go through this from now on.
And it must be an EXHAUSTIVE investigation. Especially if the President is a Republican.
What do you say?
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