Missouri riots

[hcap]

Jon Stewart nails it.

http://www.salon.com/2014/08/27/must...n_waiting_for/

[classhandicapper]

Originally Posted by Marshall Bennett

If you believe the incarceration and crime statistics of blacks v. whites, which you should, then chances are way higher that the black guy is actually trying to steal the car and the white guy is breaking into his own car. That's just basic facts.
Should the officers investigate both? Probably, but until blacks find a way to adjust those statistics, they'll always be larger targets to police, as they should be. Otherwise, crime rates increase simply because fewer arrest are made. Simple math really, with a dose of reality.

Didn't you know we are not allowed to use statistical realities to maximize our results?

We have to pat down 80 year old Italian grandmas just as often as darker skinned guys with long beards, wearing thobes, and speaking Arabic as they enter the airport.

Truth used to be suppressed to strengthen the left's idealistic delusions about the world we live in. Now they attack and destroy people for saying or doing the "wrong" thing no matter what the cost.

The idea should obviously be to change the realities, but no chance of that. They don't care about truth or results, just their idealistic delusions.

[Robert Goren]

Originally Posted by classhandicapper

Didn't you know we are not allowed to use statistical realities to maximize our results?

We have to pat down 80 year old Italian grandmas just as often as darker skinned guys with long beards, wearing thobes, and speaking Arabic as they enter the airport.

Truth used to be suppressed to strengthen the left's idealistic delusions about the world we live in. Now they attack and destroy people for saying or doing the "wrong" thing no matter what the cost.

The idea should obviously be to change the realities, but no chance of that. They don't care about truth or results, just their idealistic delusions.

Because we do, the darker skinned guys with long beards do not use 80 year old Italian grandmothers to blow up planes. Does anyone believe that they wouldn't if they could? Is there anyone that naïve anymore?

[classhandicapper]

Originally Posted by Robert Goren

Because we do, the darker skinned guys with long beards do not use 80 year old Italian grandmothers to blow up planes. Does anyone believe that they wouldn't if they could? Is there anyone that naïve anymore?

Come on.

Yes, they will eventually try to use people that don't fit the profile by recruiting more Asians , Europeans, blacks etc.. And they will shave, dress differently etc... So you need to expand what you are looking at. If the stats change, so should the way you fight the crimes regardless of whether we are talking about street crime or terrorism. But we don't have the ability to check everyone, so you try to get the probabilities on your side.

IMO it's foolish to say we shouldn't be allowed to use hard stats to fight crime in order to meet some idealistic standard that has nothing to do with reality and clearly bullshit to say we don't check loads of people that everyone on earth knows is not a terrorist just to keep those delusional leftists happy (which means we are diverting limited resources away from more productive uses).

I went on a family Vegas trip a few years back and they stopped me, my German/Irish white as snow girlfriend, my 90 year old aunt, and my 80 year old aunt out of a large group. Stopping me I can deal with. At least I'm short, have a beard, and am not fair skinned. I don't look like Dolph Lundgren. The others? lmao

I've said this a 1000 times.

If there's ever a day I fit the profile of a criminal or terrorist and I uniquely have to experience the minor inconvenience of occasionally being stopped or checked at the airport etc.., not only am I willing to do it, I'll be extremely pleased that they are checking guys exactly like me. I want to be safer. Small price to pay.

[bks]

Originally Posted by Marshall Bennett

If you believe the incarceration and crime statistics of blacks v. whites, which you should, then chances are way higher that the black guy is actually trying to steal the car and the white guy is breaking into his own car. That's just basic facts.
Should the officers investigate both? Probably, but until blacks find a way to adjust those statistics, they'll always be larger targets to police, as they should be.

You don't understand - at all. The statistics are a reflection of a corrupt and racially biased system of law enforcement, not an objective presentation of reality. Blacks, and to a lesser extent other minorities, are targeted by law enforcement: they're much more likely to be stopped than other ethnic groups when you control for factors other than race, and they're much more likely to be incarcerated for similar crimes when you control for relevant factors. This has been known for ages.

Read Michelle Alexander's "The New Jim Crow" if you're interested in the racial logic of the incarceration system.

[PaceAdvantage]

If I buy your argument, I would also have to believe most of the evidence against these black/minority inmates has been planted by police.

Regardless of whether or not racial profiling leads to more blacks/minorities being stopped by the police, they wouldn't be arrested if indeed they weren't engaged in illegal conduct, unless of course you also believe most evidence against them has been manufactured by the police, which I think we all can assume is not the case.

Therefore, is it your contention that if white people were stopped by the police at the same rate as blacks/minorities, we would have a more heterogeneous prison population?

The only thing keeping the prison population leaning black/minority is that the cops employ racial profiling? Whites are getting away with murder because the police don't stop them as often?

[classhandicapper]

Originally Posted by bks

You don't understand - at all. The statistics are a reflection of a corrupt and racially biased system of law enforcement, not an objective presentation of reality. Blacks, and to a lesser extent other minorities, are targeted by law enforcement: they're much more likely to be stopped than other ethnic groups when you control for factors other than race, and they're much more likely to be incarcerated for similar crimes when you control for relevant factors. This has been known for ages.

Read Michelle Alexander's "The New Jim Crow" if you're interested in the racial logic of the incarceration system.

Even if you concede that profiling in and of itself will lead to higher stats for the targeted group for some types of offenses, there is no way that explains away crime stats where police, ambulances, etc.. respond to 911 and other calls for help when crimes have already been committed and no bias is involved.

[HUSKER55]

[QUOTE=bks]You don't understand - at all. The statistics are a reflection of a corrupt and racially biased system of law enforcement, not an objective presentation of reality.


So if a black man shoots your ass I should go for donuts and pretend it didn't happen because the stats are out of balance?

Suppose the stats are correct and these criminals are really criminals.

But filled with white guilt I will give them pass.

Feel Better?

Situation assessed.

[Marshall Bennett]

His post is so full of holes. Here's a thought, The Houston Police Dept. is loaded with black and hispanic cops. I suppose they're profiling against their own race if what he says is true. I'm sure the departments in other large cities has a sizable minority force as well. Why aren't they profiling white folks instead of their own?

[JustRalph]

Originally Posted by bks

You don't understand - at all. The statistics are a reflection of a corrupt and racially biased system of law enforcement, not an objective presentation of reality. Blacks, and to a lesser extent other minorities, are targeted by law enforcement: they're much more likely to be stopped than other ethnic groups when you control for factors other than race, and they're much more likely to be incarcerated for similar crimes when you control for relevant factors. This has been known for ages.

Read Michelle Alexander's "The New Jim Crow" if you're interested in the racial logic of the incarceration system.

Yeah, that's the ticket!

I worked in predominately white area, in the 90's and I worked SoCal, San Bernardino County in the 80's as one of those terrible racial profiling cops. Back then it wasn't called racial profiling. It was called police work.

Now, if I buy off on your theory, then whites are committing just as many crimes as minorities. It's the cops choosing to stop minorities that skew the numbers. Then why when the cops are stopping only whites, all day long every day, those cops aren't locking up just as many whites? Percentage wise? If your theory is correct then white guys are carrying guns, selling crack and "holding' just as much and just as often as minorities.

You are ignoring completely the cultural differences. That's why your full of crap. Young black men packing guns is a cultural normality. There are no objections or barriers to such within the culture. For whatever reason it's accepted and tolerated by friends and associates. I would express that the same holds true in Hispanic culture with knives. A pistol is not uncommon, but knives are akin to a wallet in a white guys pocket.

Young white men carrying guns must be very secretive in their world. Their peers will call the police on them. I've been through it multiple times. White Wives will call the police and tell on their husbands. Just because it is not an accepted practice in the culture. Half ass want to be white teenage thugs will tip off their own parents or approach a school cop or the like the minute any of their peers brandishes a gun. It's cultural. It's not poverty related. It's not oppression, it's cultural. It's exactly the same with other crimes. Drugs, robbery etc.

I blame the permanent status of the underclass as altering the mindset of black culture. Blacks tolerate criminal activity in their community, but only in the last 2-3 generations. Black men and women in their 70's and 80's will narc out their neighbor and even their own child in a minute. They have a different perspective. They are not in the same cultural era as their younger neighbors.

It's complicated. But if you don't see it at the street level, you don't see the whole picture. The us versus them mentality of today will never allow minorities to ascend. As a group that is. Unless they purposely decide to leave the herd. I urge the young minority men who I come into contact with to break away from herd mentality. Believe it or not I had this conversation just a few nights ago with two young men who work for my wife.

[badcompany]

Originally Posted by Marshall Bennett

His post is so full of holes. Here's a thought, The Houston Police Dept. is loaded with black and hispanic cops. I suppose they're profiling against their own race if what he says is true. I'm sure the departments in other large cities has a sizable minority force as well. Why aren't they profiling white folks instead of their own?

We used to hear the same thing about racist cab drivers not wanting to pick up blacks.

The theory went down the toilet when most of the white drivers left the business, and were replaced by drivers of color who still don't pick up blacks.

Why?

Because a black person is likely to bring you to a high crime area.

[Jay Trotter]

It's not a "colour" issue, it's a "poverty" issue.

[Marshall Bennett]

Originally Posted by Jay Trotter

It's not a "colour" issue, it's a "poverty" issue.

No, it is a color issue. Poverty exist in all cultures. Poverty in a black neighborhood breeds more crime than any other. There's a reason for it, and it isn't just poverty alone.

[JustRalph]

Originally Posted by Jay Trotter

It's not a "colour" issue, it's a "poverty" issue.

Then how do you account for completely disparate crime rates in neighborhoods that abut each other, with similar income levels and poverty rates?

There are many examples in the U.S.

I read a study in a sociology class once about an Irish neighborhood and a black neighborhood near Boston. They were right next to each other. Same income/poverty level etc. crime rates were completely different. I've seen other examples cited elsewhere. Often using Oakland and nearby cities to contrast.

I don't buy the poverty argument for a minute. I've known lots of poor people who never turned to crime. Including minorities of all shapes and colors and religion. I grew up on the lower end of the income bracket. Lived it.

[fast4522]

Lets askthe king.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Ox1Tore9nw