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[cj]

Originally Posted by Stillriledup

Sorry if this is a dumb question, but do you get the raw pace figure too? Or, do you just get the overall 'power rating'? Thanks.

Right now, you just get the overall number. When pace figures are introduced, you will get them all as part of the deluxe PPs.

[cj]

Originally Posted by RXB

Final time.

Thanks, and yes, he is correct.

[Cratos]

Originally Posted by MarcAtTimeformUS

Pace Figs are part of deluxe PP pricing.
Typically, if we distill something (we distill CJ's Pace Figs to make our pace projector), it's a part of our basic product.
If we give you the tools to look at the raw data, it's going to be part of the deluxe product.
And sorry, no broad announcement on more details of deluxe PPs until middle of next month.
Give us a few weeks to get the current ones' features finished
We're dangerously close to introducing pedigree ratings (for each horse, specific to surface and dstance) based on Craig's figures.

Are you including the track’s turn impact and wind direction by surface and track configuration in your pace calculations?

Incidentally, wind begins to have an effect of about 1/5 second at 19 mph on tail and head velocities. On side velocity it becomes a little more complicated because you would be calculating angular velocity, but it can be done.

Also I applaud you for attempting to discern pedigree ratings for each horse, specific to surface and distance; and I for one would love to see your conclusions based on a reasonable confidence interval.

[cj]

Originally Posted by Cratos

Are you including the track’s turn impact and wind direction by surface and track configuration in your pace calculations?

Incidentally, wind begins to have an effect of about 1/5 second at 19 mph on tail and head velocities. On side velocity it becomes a little more complicated because you would be calculating angular velocity, but it can be done.

Also I applaud you for attempting to discern pedigree ratings for each horse, specific to surface and distance; and I for one would love to see your conclusions based on a reasonable confidence interval.

We aren't going to get into everything that goes into the pace numbers.

[Cratos]

Originally Posted by cj

We aren't going to get into everything that goes into the pace numbers.

I am not asking you to reveal your methodology, but I am asking for a yes or no answer to a simple question because I would believe bettors who are using your figures would like to know the inclusions within the figures.

Having spent some time using and understanding predictive statistics as many others have, one thing that is consistent in predictions is that the more "noise" in the data, the weaker or less predictable the statistical outcome.

[cj]

Originally Posted by Cratos

I am not asking you to reveal your methodology, but I am asking for a yes or no answer to a simple question because I would believe bettors who are using your figures would like to know the inclusions within the figures.

Having spent some time using and understanding predictive statistics as many others have, one thing that is consistent in predictions is that the more "noise" in the data, the weaker or less predictable the statistical outcome.

Same answer, sorry.

[wiffleball whizz]

It's 4:57pm going to the mall going shopping taking my father out to dinner then I'm going to otb.....100 percent purchasing the 3.99 all day package today and becoming a VIP timeformus member!!!!!!


(undercover brag) its pretty scary to think how if I actually use this new timeformus which seems pretty good and my knowledge of racing how dangerous of a player I can become........

Wondering if I win the deltoga challenge can I get a timeformus shirt to take the winners circle pic with?!?!?!?!

[ten2oneormore]

IMO CJs pace figures combined with his final speed figures are the best thing out there at telling the story of how the horse actually ran in his/her previous races.Without the pace figures it is hard to fully assess the final speed figure which is why I think some are a little impatient.

The two combined are what makes this product a slam dunk for anyone that actually takes the time to learn how to use them.

The other features are just gravy and I don't mean to minimize the hard work of the rest of the team because I'm sure they(other features) are a whole new world to beginners.However I would guess the serious player knows the trainer angles and sire stats for the circuits he/she plays.

[Grits]

Mr.Attenberg, I apologize for my terse comment. I'm sorry, I was wrong. You did answer my question. I look forward to your completed current pps and the deluxe ones. Thank you.

Originally Posted by MarcAtTimeformUS

Pace Figs are part of deluxe PP pricing.
Typically, if we distill something (we distill CJ's Pace Figs to make our pace projector), it's a part of our basic product.
If we give you the tools to look at the raw data, it's going to be part of the deluxe product.
And sorry, no broad announcement on more details of deluxe PPs until middle of next month.
Give us a few weeks to get the current ones' features finished
We're dangerously close to introducing pedigree ratings (for each horse, specific to surface and dstance) based on Craig's figures.

[Cratos]

Originally Posted by cj

Same answer, sorry.

Thanks

[DeltaLover]

Originally Posted by cj

We aren't going to get into everything that goes into the pace numbers.

I completely understand and justify this approach.

Personally, I could not care less about how you come up with a figure as long a:

- I find some value to it

- I am sure that the methodology will remain the same


It is absolutely fine and ethical to keep your intellectual property a secret as far as you are providing the data in a consistent manner.

[chrisl]

A cell phone app to get this would be great

[JimG]

Originally Posted by chrisl

A cell phone app to get this would be great

It's pretty and all but replacing some of those last 4 fields with cj's info in condensed form and make it sortable by column would make it sing. Something along the lines of CSP, Late Speed, days since last race, last 2-3 cj figs. Next to the horse name, throw in the positional early speed points.

It is pretty though and projected pace is a nice feature. I wish Timeform and CJ good fortune in this joint venture.

Jim

[cj]

Originally Posted by DeltaLover

I completely understand and justify this approach.

Personally, I could not care less about how you come up with a figure as long a:

- I find some value to it

- I am sure that the methodology will remain the same


It is absolutely fine and ethical to keep your intellectual property a secret as far as you are providing the data in a consistent manner.

It isn't even that so much as I don't want to spend countless hours debating my approach with those that don't agree with it. Like you say, the results will speak for themselves. The only formula that may occasionally change (slightly) is the overall number, which we still call a speed figure for simplicity even though it has what I have called some "pace infusion". After all these years, I'm still learning as I gather more and more data and how to best combine pace and speed figures under various conditions (fast/slow pace, surface, distance). But even those are slight adjustments.

[cj]

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