The Greatest of All Time - Bob Baffert

[cj]

Originally Posted by the little guy

It's so good to see politics still aren't allowed in the racing section.

Fixed.

[Robert Fischer]

even the press is starting to occasionally speak openly;

" The Times Union noted that the New York lab, and most other equine testing labs in the country, can only test for three types of EPO, but there are 82 kinds worldwide.

"…they've been synthesized; they're available," Maylin told the Times Union. "So if you're testing for EPOs and you're only doing three and there are another 70-plus out there, who are you kidding?"


horse racing is the one we see, and get fired up about.

It's the same in NFL,NBA,MLB,NHL,olympics,cycling, everything...


just not something that's good to talk about when you have the perception of integrity and the endorsements etc... with the sports.

[dilanesp]

Originally Posted by Robert Fischer

even the press is starting to occasionally speak openly;

" The Times Union noted that the New York lab, and most other equine testing labs in the country, can only test for three types of EPO, but there are 82 kinds worldwide.

"…they've been synthesized; they're available," Maylin told the Times Union. "So if you're testing for EPOs and you're only doing three and there are another 70-plus out there, who are you kidding?"


horse racing is the one we see, and get fired up about.

It's the same in NFL,NBA,MLB,NHL,olympics,cycling, everything...


just not something that's good to talk about when you have the perception of integrity and the endorsements etc... with the sports.

The continuous story of all sports is that advances of testing trail advances of PED's. But then every once in awhile they develop a new test and catch people. Every once in awhile a doper slips up too and gets caught.

Someone said this earlier, but that's why the federal government getting involved in Servis/Navarro was such an important thing. Because surveillance is the only tool that can catch people who know how to evade the tests.

[Psychotic Parakeet]

Considering it is nearly every owner's dream to win the Kentucky Derby, I am a bit suspicious as to why none of his potential Derby horses went to another trainer months ago? The news about him being banned from the Derby for the next two runnings was stated last year, and I would have thought may have changed things. Are they loyal for the sake of just getting purse money at this rate? Or are they banking on Baffert weaseling his way out of that ruling from CDI so the horses are eligible?

I also wonder if CDI held out for this long to see if Medina Spirit's necropsy results would show he was "internally tampered with" to reaffirm their decision? Or is Baffert hoping they don't find anything, so he can turn around and sue CDI?

[the little guy]

Originally Posted by Psychotic Parakeet

I also wonder if CDI held out for this long to see if Medina Spirit's necropsy results would show he was "internally tampered with" to reaffirm their decision? Or is Baffert hoping they don't find anything, so he can turn around and sue CDI?

This doesn't make any sense. CDI isn't holding out. They suspended him for two years. End of story. Medina Spirit's death has nothing to do with it. That is a separate issue.

[dilanesp]

Originally Posted by the little guy

This doesn't make any sense. CDI isn't holding out. They suspended him for two years. End of story. Medina Spirit's death has nothing to do with it. That is a separate issue.

Right. The KHRC is delaying, not CD.

[the little guy]

I feel better now

[Andy Asaro]

Twitter

[Robert Fischer]

Originally Posted by dilanesp

The continuous story of all sports is that advances of testing trail advances of PED's. But then every once in awhile they develop a new test and catch people. Every once in awhile a doper slips up too and gets caught.

Someone said this earlier, but that's why the federal government getting involved in Servis/Navarro was such an important thing. Because surveillance is the only tool that can catch people who know how to evade the tests.

When my mother was alive, and I was a kid she'd joke and point out at the sky and say "Wave." "When you die, and your life flashes before your eyes, you'll see yourself saying 'hi'!"

Today, don't worry, other phones, your phone, the CCTV, etc... are processing the data.

Someone asks me "hey Jase, how would a veteran Kareem or Michael Jordan do in today's NBA?" and I picture them adapting to today's analytic-driven style..., but I also picture them with 10lbs more muscle and Hair.

Twitter

I sort of see PEDs as part of technology in a way.

We don't want a surveillance state. A single centralized ultimate power with no freedoms and privacy is worse than competitive market who think all is fair in love and war... Those freedoms and privacy is plenty by itself, but also remember that a centralized power is not some 'saint' that always acts fair and won't use it's power for political or other means.

i'm babbling on here, and I don't know a lot about the subject...
i see occasional horseplayers advocate for more and more surveillance, without seeming to realize that a)cat is out of bag, and b)surveillance≠paradise

__________________
Preparation. Discipline. Patience. Decisiveness.

[dilanesp]

Originally Posted by Robert Fischer

When my mother was alive, and I was a kid she'd joke and point out at the sky and say "Wave." "When you die, and your life flashes before your eyes, you'll see yourself saying 'hi'!"

Today, don't worry, other phones, your phone, the CCTV, etc... are processing the data.

Someone asks me "hey Jase, how would a veteran Kareem or Michael Jordan do in today's NBA?" and I picture them adapting to today's analytic-driven style..., but I also picture them with 10lbs more muscle and Hair.
https://twitter.com/jason_kassa/stat...81938858815488

I sort of see PEDs as part of technology in a way.

We don't want a surveillance state. A single centralized ultimate power with no freedoms and privacy is worse than competitive market who think all is fair in love and war... Those freedoms and privacy is plenty by itself, but also remember that a centralized power is not some 'saint' that always acts fair and won't use it's power for political or other means.

i'm babbling on here, and I don't know a lot about the subject...
i see occasional horseplayers advocate for more and more surveillance, without seeming to realize that a)cat is out of bag, and b)surveillance≠paradise

Horsemen are licensed in part because they have the power to fix races and defraud gamblers. There's already a ton of surveillance on them and it doesn't strike me as terrible

[AndyC]

Originally Posted by dilanesp

Horsemen are licensed in part because they have the power to fix races and defraud gamblers. There's already a ton of surveillance on them and it doesn't strike me as terrible

Really? Does the same sort of reasoning apply to the licensing of attorneys?

[dilanesp]

Originally Posted by AndyC

Really? Does the same sort of reasoning apply to the licensing of attorneys?

We aren't under surveillance but our client trust funds are.

[Andy Asaro]

Twitter

[Andy Asaro]

Twitter

“There have been dozens of deaths in cycling going back 30 years, and it became clear that these elite cyclists were dropping dead when EPO use first became evident,” Lyons said.

Baffert said he’d been injecting those horses with thyroxine, a hormone that can increase energy but is commonly prescribed to treat hypothyroidism.

Clark Brewster, a spokesman for Baffert, told The Post that “there is not even a scintilla of evidence, let alone a suggestion, that this horse received anything improper. It’s silly to suggest it. Medina Spirit, like all horses at this level of competition, was extensively tested pre-race and post-race. This idea of EPO blood doping is easily dispelled. It’s just nonsense.”

[Andy Asaro]

Attorney: Baffert’s 2021 Kentucky Derby hearing will be Monday

https://www.horseracingnation.com/ne..._be_Monday_123

========================================

CHRB ADVISORY

The California Horse Racing Board with the cooperation of the University of California-Davis will be issuing a news release along with the Medina Spirit necropsy report at 9 a.m. (PST). Friday to those receiving this advisory. A Q&A via teleconference for credentialed news media will follow at 11 a.m. (PST) Friday. Dial-in details for the Q&A will be provided in the news release. No further information will be available until 9 a.m. Friday.