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01-03-2022, 02:58 PM
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$200 future 2022 Kentucky Derby winner;
Trainer "Jimmy Barnes" 
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01-03-2022, 03:06 PM
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01-03-2022, 04:05 PM
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#1023
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@TimeformUSfigs
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: Moore, OK
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Quote:
Originally Posted by classhandicapper
Thanks for the correction.
I'm still reading blurbs of concern there's going to be a reversal on the Derby because of the urine test. Maybe that's unwarranted concern, but the danger is that Baffert is totally loaded with the best 3yos, his owners stick with him, and it damages the Derby while he's suspended. We are going to learn something soon.
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Honestly I don't know that much. I figured if CD banned him with no decision, they'll stick by it no matter what the KHRC does. I could be wrong. The Derby will be fine without Baffert and his horses IMO.
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01-03-2022, 04:07 PM
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#1024
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@TimeformUSfigs
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Robert Fischer
$200 future 2022 Kentucky Derby winner;
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I'm not confident of much in this game, but I'm confident it won't be him. It will be Baffert let back in or a real barn change, no way they allow an assistant.
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01-03-2022, 04:39 PM
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clean money
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cj
I'm not confident of much in this game, but I'm confident it won't be him. It will be Baffert let back in or a real barn change, no way they allow an assistant.
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I hope they get it right.
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01-03-2022, 11:31 PM
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Join Date: Mar 2007
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Originally Posted by Andy Asaro
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"Baffert told a CHRB investigator that he did not know how phenylbutazone entered the system of the horses and that he would be offering a "reward" to solve the case."
Who is going to be blamed for this one? A groom? The Easter Bunny?
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01-04-2022, 08:49 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Psychotic Parakeet
"Baffert told a CHRB investigator that he did not know how phenylbutazone entered the system of the horses and that he would be offering a "reward" to solve the case."
Who is going to be blamed for this one? A groom? The Easter Bunny?
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Sounds like something he'd say. When he talks outside of a softball interview he's a train wreck
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01-06-2022, 04:08 PM
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dilanesp,
Can you explain the upside of NYRA amending their complaint?
It feels to me like NYRA screwed up trying to do the right thing, but prematurely, and it may wind up costing them.
Also, I'm sure they've been testing this guy like crazy since the Derby and especially during the BC. His horses are still running a hole through the wind and the ones that switched barns did not all fall apart on the trainer change.
This guy is obviously no saint, but is anyone paying attention to some of the other things going on out there that aren't grey area bending the rules?
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01-06-2022, 08:53 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by classhandicapper
dilanesp,
Can you explain the upside of NYRA amending their complaint?
It feels to me like NYRA screwed up trying to do the right thing, but prematurely, and it may wind up costing them.
Also, I'm sure they've been testing this guy like crazy since the Derby and especially during the BC. His horses are still running a hole through the wind and the ones that switched barns did not all fall apart on the trainer change.
This guy is obviously no saint, but is anyone paying attention to some of the other things going on out there that aren't grey area bending the rules?
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Since Baffert is fighting them, they want to present the strongest possible statement of claim.
One of the things the lawyers for the Bafferts of the world try to do is to force everything to be considered in isolation. "It's just an overage " That kind of thing.
So you want as many charging allegations as possible to disable that argument.
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01-08-2022, 10:49 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dilanesp
Since Baffert is fighting them, they want to present the strongest possible statement of claim.
One of the things the lawyers for the Bafferts of the world try to do is to force everything to be considered in isolation. "It's just an overage " That kind of thing.
So you want as many charging allegations as possible to disable that argument.
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I’m not a lawyer, but I don’t think old resolved cases are going to have much impact on the thinking. I think it’s more about the positives in 2021. If an accumulation of old cases mattered, a lot more people would be out.
I see his owners and CA as the keys to this.
His owners have to drop him or CA has to bar him. Without that, he can keep running where he’s welcomed, do great, and even damage some marquee races elsewhere. He still has a ton of great stock and will likely have horses among the leaders in several divisions. Sure, there may be races at CD or SAR he’d like to run in, but he will reduce the significance of those marquee races if his horses are not entered because he’s barred. To have any teeth, the suspension will have to be broader and include owners leaving. Then maybe we can focus on the trainers that are moving horses up off the claim to run lifetime tops at age 7 that are still out there.
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01-08-2022, 11:57 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by classhandicapper
I’m not a lawyer, but I don’t think old resolved cases are going to have much impact on the thinking. I think it’s more about the positives in 2021. If an accumulation of old cases mattered, a lot more people would be out.
I see his owners and CA as the keys to this.
His owners have to drop him or CA has to bar him. Without that, he can keep running where he’s welcomed, do great, and even damage some marquee races elsewhere. He still has a ton of great stock and will likely have horses among the leaders in several divisions. Sure, there may be races at CD or SAR he’d like to run in, but he will reduce the significance of those marquee races if his horses are not entered because he’s barred. To have any teeth, the suspension will have to be broader and include owners leaving. Then maybe we can focus on the trainers that are moving horses up off the claim to run lifetime tops at age 7 that are still out there.
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You are right about the owners and California, but to a judge, a long rap sheet is EXTREMELY important.
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01-08-2022, 10:50 PM
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Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Dark Side of the Moon
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i havent not even looked, I assume its been a struggle for baffert since this has all gone down, has he lost the horses he trains? I saw he won a stake race the other day.
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01-09-2022, 01:34 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GMB@BP
i havent not even looked, I assume its been a struggle for baffert since this has all gone down, has he lost the horses he trains? I saw he won a stake race the other day.
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Only Todd Pletcher over at Gulfstream has had a worse start to 2022.
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01-09-2022, 07:35 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Spalding No!
Only Todd Pletcher over at Gulfstream has had a worse start to 2022.
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really?
according to Equibase (linked) his horses have appeared in 7 races in 2022 and they've won 4 of them and finished 2nd in 2 of the other 3
a 57% win % and an 86% in the money %
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https://www.equibase.com/profiles/Re...&eID=83&rbt=TB
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01-09-2022, 09:56 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Half Smoke
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And Baffert has 7 starters with 4 wins and 2 seconds. Not even remotely struggling. The intense scrutiny has not affected his horses' performance at all.
https://www.equibase.com/profiles/Re...hType=T&eID=83
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