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Say what? Which government. 
I presented a reasonable proposition that a serious infectious disease with an exponential RO number can be best dealt with by judging the threat potential using long term epidemiological models. And being aware that as in previous similar pandemics, it is international in nature.
Why is that hyperbole?
1)- Hope for the best,
2)-Be prepared for the worst.
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Unlike Thask, I cannot rule out stupidity as the basis for your writings, so will attempt to answer as benevolently as possible.
You asked which governments? Let's start and end with Michigan's state govt, although there are many more examples. The governor there ruled over her subjects with an iron fist with regard to the pandemic. No violation of strict protocol was allowed. The AG of Michigan even hyperventilated over Ford "allowing" the POTUS to walk around on Michigan soil without a mask. The horror!! Less than 10 days later, the governor is seen kneeling in a sea of humanity (many without masks) and holding hands with fellow protestors.
Can you explain why that is not hypocrisy on the one hand and blatant politics on the other hand? It almost seems like she is trying to destroy the state economy ahead of an important federal election cycle. In fact, one can see the pattern emerging in many blue states and among democratic governors in purple states. They rushed to support thousands of non-social distancing protestors yet STILL are preventing church congregations from meeting. Why Harry? What is the difference between a protest in MI and a church service in MI??
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06-13-2020, 11:17 AM
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Unlike Thask, I cannot rule out stupidity as the basis for your writings, so will attempt to answer as benevolently as possible.
You asked which governments? Let's start and end with Michigan's state govt, although there are many more examples. The governor there ruled over her subjects with an iron fist with regard to the pandemic. No violation of strict protocol was allowed. The AG of Michigan even hyperventilated over Ford "allowing" the POTUS to walk around on Michigan soil without a mask. The horror!! Less than 10 days later, the governor is seen kneeling in a sea of humanity (many without masks) and holding hands with fellow protestors.
Can you explain why that is not hypocrisy on the one hand and blatant politics on the other hand? It almost seems like she is trying to destroy the state economy ahead of an important federal election cycle. In fact, one can see the pattern emerging in many blue states and among democratic governors in purple states. They rushed to support thousands of non-social distancing protestors yet STILL are preventing church congregations from meeting. Why Harry? What is the difference between a protest in MI and a church service in MI??
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I grant you governments get it wrong. I am not familiar with Michigan or it's governor, but even if you are correct about everything you say, Michigan does not constitute the broad spectrum of epidemiological expertise.
The case I made DOES NOT depend on one state or states primarily, but rather on the experts of the federal government, and sources such as Johns Hopkins. The experts on the federal level have been muzzled at times. Sources like Johns Hopkins, although mistaken occasionally, are still heads above heels versus amateur epidemiologists and non-epidemiologists that show up on this thread.
Why not stick to the tittle of this thread? " Epidemiologist: Why Lockdowns Are The Wrong Policy"
Not Michigan is saying that because........
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06-13-2020, 11:17 AM
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Originally Posted by tucker6
Unlike Thask, I cannot rule out stupidity as the basis for your writings, so will attempt to answer as benevolently as possible.
You asked which governments? Let's start and end with Michigan's state govt, although there are many more examples. The governor there ruled over her subjects with an iron fist with regard to the pandemic. No violation of strict protocol was allowed. The AG of Michigan even hyperventilated over Ford "allowing" the POTUS to walk around on Michigan soil without a mask. The horror!! Less than 10 days later, the governor is seen kneeling in a sea of humanity (many without masks) and holding hands with fellow protestors.
Can you explain why that is not hypocrisy on the one hand and blatant politics on the other hand? It almost seems like she is trying to destroy the state economy ahead of an important federal election cycle. In fact, one can see the pattern emerging in many blue states and among democratic governors in purple states. They rushed to support thousands of non-social distancing protestors yet STILL are preventing church congregations from meeting. Why Harry? What is the difference between a protest in MI and a church service in MI??
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Was it different in the Republican states? Didn't the Republican state leaders embrace the coronavirus protection guidelines too? Didn't they also interact with the protesters in an "unsafe" way? Isn't Minnesota a "split-control" state? Isn't this "hypocrisy" a little more widespread than you make it seem?
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06-13-2020, 12:53 PM
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Was it different in the Republican states? Didn't the Republican state leaders embrace the coronavirus protection guidelines too? Didn't they also interact with the protesters in an "unsafe" way? Isn't Minnesota a "split-control" state? Isn't this "hypocrisy" a little more widespread than you make it seem?
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If there were a hypocrisy scale it would probably be 80%Dems/20% Rep. Can you give examples of where Republican state leaders were out interacting with the protesters in an unsafe way?
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06-13-2020, 01:04 PM
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If there were a hypocrisy scale it would probably be 80%Dems/20% Rep. Can you give examples of where Republican state leaders were out interacting with the protesters in an unsafe way?
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I repeat for the 100th time, the coronavirus is way too small to be stopped by a republican or democratic state border line.
They sneak right thru.
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06-13-2020, 02:42 PM
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I grant you governments get it wrong. I am not familiar with Michigan or it's governor, but even if you are correct about everything you say, Michigan does not constitute the broad spectrum of epidemiological expertise.
The case I made DOES NOT depend on one state or states primarily, but rather on the experts of the federal government, and sources such as Johns Hopkins. The experts on the federal level have been muzzled at times. Sources like Johns Hopkins, although mistaken occasionally, are still heads above heels versus amateur epidemiologists and non-epidemiologists that show up on this thread.
Why not stick to the tittle of this thread? " Epidemiologist: Why Lockdowns Are The Wrong Policy"
Not Michigan is saying that because........
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The pandemic became political when the dems decided to attack Trump over the pandemic while not attacking Cuomo or any number of other leaders for their actions. Every "leader" we have has made mistakes. Unfortunately we are lacking statesmen. People who rise above party politics for the good of the country. Name one prominent national or state leader who is above reproach with regard to politicking with the pandemic? Name a statesman or stateswoman?
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06-13-2020, 04:06 PM
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Poor baby. Your own crock is dependent on short term trends and assumptions . We are dealing with a very contagious disease that spreads like wild fire. And it is getting hold, and spreading where it was not before. A few sparks and all your 7 day moving averages go up in smoke.
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06-13-2020, 05:22 PM
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06-14-2020, 04:01 AM
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Originally Posted by tucker6
The pandemic became political when the dems decided to attack Trump over the pandemic while not attacking Cuomo or any number of other leaders for their actions. Every "leader" we have has made mistakes. Unfortunately we are lacking statesmen. People who rise above party politics for the good of the country. Name one prominent national or state leader who is above reproach with regard to politicking with the pandemic? Name a statesman or stateswoman?
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As a friend Tom, I am warning you, please watch out for all them "dems" hiding under your bed.
Meanwhile as of the 12th...
27,221 new cases. Stay under the covers until it is over.
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06-14-2020, 08:48 AM
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Democrats will happily cut off water and power to a small business owner under guise of health protection but not to the new State of Chazistan.
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06-14-2020, 08:50 AM
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As a friend Tom, I am warning you, please watch out for all them "dems" hiding under your bed.
Meanwhile as of the 12th...
27,221 new cases. Stay under the covers until it is over. |
By the way this reply is a superb deke and dodge, well played. 
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06-14-2020, 10:49 AM
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As a friend Tom, I am warning you, please watch out for all them "dems" hiding under your bed.
Meanwhile as of the 12th...
27,221 new cases. Stay under the covers until it is over. |
I am not afraid of the virus - I advocate opening back up NOW.
YOU are the one looking behind you and in the closest for wild bugs to get you, tallying deaths like a POS undertaker......BOO!
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06-14-2020, 10:50 AM
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By the way this reply is a superb deke and dodge, well played. |
If he applied himself, he could be the world's champion of DODGEball! 
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06-14-2020, 11:18 AM
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Democrats will happily cut off water and power to a small business owner under guise of health protection but not to the new State of Chazistan.
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Sorry, I don't speak far right lunacyzistan
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