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Old 06-07-2021, 11:04 AM   #61
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thanks to Joe Bravo and team....

too bad the scabs are more greedy than intelligent on the matter

Scabs....You continue to show your ignorance applying this name to some of the bravest athletes in the world. Pathetic.
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Old 06-07-2021, 11:30 AM   #62
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Joe Bravo in California

Can anyone provide Joe Bravo's stats when he rode in California previously?
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So how many safety incidents have there been at Monmouth because of no whips?
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So just before Irad's horse dug in last week and tossed him, Irad ducked down on the horses neck. I am wondering if he actually lost contol of the whip and was reaching for it.


Just an observation, not fodder for the trollers.
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Old 06-07-2021, 12:26 PM   #65
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Isn't a "scab" someone who crosses a picket line? You act like Joe Bravo isn't riding at other tracks while this is happening.

I don't understand the incredible anger this issue brings up in some of you. I know some are trolls and others are triggered by getting up in the morning, but the sheer joy in seeing the track do badly because they don't want horses whipped...just bizarre. Fitting for this site, but bizarre.
I am one of the people on the other side of the issue about Monmouth Park. I don't have anger about it. Monmouth Park is a nonstarter as a Racetrack for betting...and the reasons are NUMEROUS. Those reasons started WAY before whipping became such an issue.

I have never attacked you or anybody else who wishes to patronize Monmouth Park. That is your business. But for you or anybody else...attempting to claim some kind of Moral Superiority on this topic is a joke. Four reasons:

1. Dennis Drazin
2. Jason Servis
3. Jorge Navarro
4. Bob Baffert

Find yourself some better footing before coming after others about their choices. Monmouth Park is a Shithole. They were a Shithole LONG before this whipping issue came front and center. People are speaking with their wallets. I honestly hope Monmouth Park sticks to their guns. I bet a lot of Property Developers hope they do, too.
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Old 06-07-2021, 12:54 PM   #66
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I am one of the people on the other side of the issue about Monmouth Park. I don't have anger about it. Monmouth Park is a nonstarter as a Racetrack for betting...and the reasons are NUMEROUS. Those reasons started WAY before whipping became such an issue.

I have never attacked you or anybody else who wishes to patronize Monmouth Park. That is your business. But for you or anybody else...attempting to claim some kind of Moral Superiority on this topic is a joke. Four reasons:

1. Dennis Drazin
2. Jason Servis
3. Jorge Navarro
4. Bob Baffert

Find yourself some better footing before coming after others about their choices. Monmouth Park is a Shithole. They were a Shithole LONG before this whipping issue came front and center. People are speaking with their wallets. I honestly hope Monmouth Park sticks to their guns. I bet a lot of Property Developers hope they do, too.
Elkchester- I’ve heard a lot of people voice displeasure over Mth’s handling of Servis and Navarro. I get that. Curious if you (or others) have similar issues with Gulfstream or even NYRA. It is a genuine question- I’m not trying to defend Mth or anything. I could see singling out Mth if these guys hit their 30% win rate at Mth, but they won everywhere, stabled at GP (Servis may have had stalls in NY but I don’t think so), and Servis trained for a NYRA board member. So why do you single out Mth in this regard (your disdain due to Drazin is another matter!). Thanks
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Old 06-07-2021, 02:12 PM   #67
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Isn't a "scab" someone who crosses a picket line? You act like Joe Bravo isn't riding at other tracks while this is happening.

I don't understand the incredible anger this issue brings up in some of you. I know some are trolls and others are triggered by getting up in the morning, but the sheer joy in seeing the track do badly because they don't want horses whipped...just bizarre. Fitting for this site, but bizarre.
Joe Bravo is the King of Monmouth for many many years....

Yes , hes riding elsewhere and most likely isn't going to make as much

But he still stuck to his beliefs and morals!!!!!

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Old 06-07-2021, 02:19 PM   #68
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I am one of the people on the other side of the issue about Monmouth Park. I don't have anger about it. Monmouth Park is a nonstarter as a Racetrack for betting...and the reasons are NUMEROUS. Those reasons started WAY before whipping became such an issue.

I have never attacked you or anybody else who wishes to patronize Monmouth Park. That is your business. But for you or anybody else...attempting to claim some kind of Moral Superiority on this topic is a joke. Four reasons:

1. Dennis Drazin
2. Jason Servis
3. Jorge Navarro
4. Bob Baffert

Find yourself some better footing before coming after others about their choices. Monmouth Park is a Shithole. They were a Shithole LONG before this whipping issue came front and center. People are speaking with their wallets. I honestly hope Monmouth Park sticks to their guns. I bet a lot of Property Developers hope they do, too.
I have been to numerous racetracks and the last thing I would call Monmouth is a “shithole.” The quality of racing isn’t the best, but the facility is very nice and is a nice place to visit.
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Old 06-07-2021, 02:38 PM   #69
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One more thing before I lay it to rest......

If Monmouth was so sure that the experiment would work
Then
Why would they ban riders if they didn't race on the First Day of the Meet
and
Pay the TOP 4 finishes in every race "EXTRA MONEY"

Jockeys Pennington, Sanchez, Paco did the smart thing by riding Day#1 and then going elsewhere , they now can come back to ride anytime.

Check out the names you know vs don't


Over and Out

Code:
     BY RIDER sorted by wins                                 Run Date: 6/7/2021 2:32:50 PM
     
     FERRER JOSE C       33      8       0.2424  1.5756    1.5212    14        0.4242  0.9182  
     CASTILLO ISAAC      31      6       0.1935  1.2578    0.7323    11        0.3548  1.0387  
     JUAREZ NIK          29      5       0.1724  1.1206    0.6448    11        0.3793  0.7414  
     DIAZ JR HECTOR RAFAE31      4       0.129   0.8385    0.271     10        0.3226  0.7177  
     MEJIA TOMAS B       30      4       0.1333  0.8665    0.5333    7         0.2333  0.4533  
     TORRES JOMAR        26      4       0.1538  0.9997    0.85      9         0.3462  1.3269  
     HERNANDEZ CARLOS J  22      4       0.1818  1.1817    0.7409    8         0.3636  1.1227  
     DAVIS DYLAN         14      4       0.2857  1.8571    1.0214    6         0.4286  0.8286  
     MONTALVO CARLOS     24      2       0.0833  0.5415    0.2542    4         0.1667  0.3     
     NAVARRO CHRISTIAN J 10      2       0.2     1.3       0.52      3         0.3     0.8     
     LOPEZ PACO          6       2       0.3333  2.1665    0.8833    4         0.6667  1.05    
     TUNON MAIKOL        4       2       0.5     3.25      11.125    2         0.5     4.75    
     PENNINGTON FRANKIE  3       2       0.6667  4.3336    1.4333    3         1       1.7     
     SANCHEZ MYCHEL J    5       1       0.2     1.3       0.7       1         0.2     0.28    
     GONZALEZ JORGE LUIS 4       1       0.25    1.625     2.775     2         0.5     4.45    
     JIMENEZ ALBIN       4       1       0.25    1.625     1.575     1         0.25    0.5     
     BAEZ JOSE           3       1       0.3333  2.1665    1.8667    1         0.3333  0.9333  
     SARMIENTO RIGO      1       1       1       6.5       1.9       1         1       1.5     
     KAY WINSTON R       1       1       1       6.5       1.8       1         1       1.05    
     DIAZ JR J C         1       1       1       6.5       3.3       1         1       2.5     
     PETERSON FERRIN     16      0       0       0         0         3         0.1875  0.65    
     REYES LUIS R        11      0       0       0         0         1         0.0909  0.4636  
     PANAIJO JORGE       7       0       0       0         0         1         0.1429  1.3714  
     OCASIO LUIS M       7       0       0       0         0         2         0.2857  0.4857  
     FIGUEROA HERIBERTO  7       0       0       0         0         1         0.1429  0.4143  
     GLASS DERBE         6       0       0       0         0         1         0.1667  0.5333  
     HERRERA JACINTO R   4       0       0       0         0         0         0       0       
     TOLEDO JEVIAN       4       0       0       0         0         0         0       0       
     RIVERA JR LUIS ROMER3       0       0       0         0         0         0       0       
     LAPRIDA JEREMY      3       0       0       0         0         2         0.6667  1.1     
     HARKIE HEMAN K      2       0       0       0         0         0         0       0       
     PANAS DEIRDRE A     2       0       0       0         0         0         0       0       
     WALES GARY          2       0       0       0         0         1         0.5     0.85    
     NO RIDER            1       0       0       0         0         0         0       0       
     COA KEIBER J        1       0       0       0         0         0         0       0       
     DOMINGUEZ CHRISTIAN 1       0       0       0         0         0         0       0       
     ADORNO ABNER        1       0       0       0         0         0         0       0       
     SPANABEL SKYLER     1       0       0       0         0         0         0       0       
     TUNON JORDANO       1       0       0       0         0         0         0       0       
     HERNANDEZ OMAR      1       0       0       0         0         0         0       0       
     RIVERA LUIS D       1       0       0       0         0         0         0       0
************************************************** **************************************
41 Riders from file: StarterHistory Table
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One more thing before I lay it to rest......

If Monmouth was so sure that the experiment would work
Then
Why would they ban riders if they didn't race on the First Day of the Meet
and
Pay the TOP 4 finishes in every race "EXTRA MONEY"

Jockeys Pennington, Sanchez, Paco did the smart thing by riding Day#1 and then going elsewhere , they now can come back to ride anytime.

Check out the names you know vs don't


Over and Out

Code:
     BY RIDER sorted by wins                                 Run Date: 6/7/2021 2:32:50 PM
     
     FERRER JOSE C       33      8       0.2424  1.5756    1.5212    14        0.4242  0.9182  
     CASTILLO ISAAC      31      6       0.1935  1.2578    0.7323    11        0.3548  1.0387  
     JUAREZ NIK          29      5       0.1724  1.1206    0.6448    11        0.3793  0.7414  
     DIAZ JR HECTOR RAFAE31      4       0.129   0.8385    0.271     10        0.3226  0.7177  
     MEJIA TOMAS B       30      4       0.1333  0.8665    0.5333    7         0.2333  0.4533  
     TORRES JOMAR        26      4       0.1538  0.9997    0.85      9         0.3462  1.3269  
     HERNANDEZ CARLOS J  22      4       0.1818  1.1817    0.7409    8         0.3636  1.1227  
     DAVIS DYLAN         14      4       0.2857  1.8571    1.0214    6         0.4286  0.8286  
     MONTALVO CARLOS     24      2       0.0833  0.5415    0.2542    4         0.1667  0.3     
     NAVARRO CHRISTIAN J 10      2       0.2     1.3       0.52      3         0.3     0.8     
     LOPEZ PACO          6       2       0.3333  2.1665    0.8833    4         0.6667  1.05    
     TUNON MAIKOL        4       2       0.5     3.25      11.125    2         0.5     4.75    
     PENNINGTON FRANKIE  3       2       0.6667  4.3336    1.4333    3         1       1.7     
     SANCHEZ MYCHEL J    5       1       0.2     1.3       0.7       1         0.2     0.28    
     GONZALEZ JORGE LUIS 4       1       0.25    1.625     2.775     2         0.5     4.45    
     JIMENEZ ALBIN       4       1       0.25    1.625     1.575     1         0.25    0.5     
     BAEZ JOSE           3       1       0.3333  2.1665    1.8667    1         0.3333  0.9333  
     SARMIENTO RIGO      1       1       1       6.5       1.9       1         1       1.5     
     KAY WINSTON R       1       1       1       6.5       1.8       1         1       1.05    
     DIAZ JR J C         1       1       1       6.5       3.3       1         1       2.5     
     PETERSON FERRIN     16      0       0       0         0         3         0.1875  0.65    
     REYES LUIS R        11      0       0       0         0         1         0.0909  0.4636  
     PANAIJO JORGE       7       0       0       0         0         1         0.1429  1.3714  
     OCASIO LUIS M       7       0       0       0         0         2         0.2857  0.4857  
     FIGUEROA HERIBERTO  7       0       0       0         0         1         0.1429  0.4143  
     GLASS DERBE         6       0       0       0         0         1         0.1667  0.5333  
     HERRERA JACINTO R   4       0       0       0         0         0         0       0       
     TOLEDO JEVIAN       4       0       0       0         0         0         0       0       
     RIVERA JR LUIS ROMER3       0       0       0         0         0         0       0       
     LAPRIDA JEREMY      3       0       0       0         0         2         0.6667  1.1     
     HARKIE HEMAN K      2       0       0       0         0         0         0       0       
     PANAS DEIRDRE A     2       0       0       0         0         0         0       0       
     WALES GARY          2       0       0       0         0         1         0.5     0.85    
     NO RIDER            1       0       0       0         0         0         0       0       
     COA KEIBER J        1       0       0       0         0         0         0       0       
     DOMINGUEZ CHRISTIAN 1       0       0       0         0         0         0       0       
     ADORNO ABNER        1       0       0       0         0         0         0       0       
     SPANABEL SKYLER     1       0       0       0         0         0         0       0       
     TUNON JORDANO       1       0       0       0         0         0         0       0       
     HERNANDEZ OMAR      1       0       0       0         0         0         0       0       
     RIVERA LUIS D       1       0       0       0         0         0         0       0
************************************************** **************************************
41 Riders from file: StarterHistory Table
None of the 3 riders you mentioned- Paco Lopez, Frankie Pennington or Mychal Sanchez- rode at Mth on opening day 5/28 (or on 5/29)
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I am one of the people on the other side of the issue about Monmouth Park. I don't have anger about it. Monmouth Park is a nonstarter as a Racetrack for betting...and the reasons are NUMEROUS. Those reasons started WAY before whipping became such an issue.

I have never attacked you or anybody else who wishes to patronize Monmouth Park. That is your business. But for you or anybody else...attempting to claim some kind of Moral Superiority on this topic is a joke. Four reasons:

1. Dennis Drazin
2. Jason Servis
3. Jorge Navarro
4. Bob Baffert

Find yourself some better footing before coming after others about their choices. Monmouth Park is a Shithole. They were a Shithole LONG before this whipping issue came front and center. People are speaking with their wallets. I honestly hope Monmouth Park sticks to their guns. I bet a lot of Property Developers hope they do, too.
Raised on MP over 18 years of running their. People are very quick to throw Dennis Drazin under the bus he did antie up and got control of the track due to the NJSEA and then Governor Christies failure to market racing properly in NJ. This was perfect timing for this group to come in and do what they had to do! as for the no crop or whip rule Jocks can still carry the crop or whip but cannot hit the horses many have elected to ride with those whips or crops and it hasn’t stopped me from racing there or betting there. Since no one has come forward in making any significant changes in horse racing the New Jersey racing commission took it upon themselves to make a change. If anyone thinks other tracks aren’t looking at this no hit ruling you are dead wrong soon others will follow as well.
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Isn't a "scab" someone who crosses a picket line? You act like Joe Bravo isn't riding at other tracks while this is happening.

I don't understand the incredible anger this issue brings up in some of you. I know some are trolls and others are triggered by getting up in the morning, but the sheer joy in seeing the track do badly because they don't want horses whipped...just bizarre. Fitting for this site, but bizarre.
Could you be any more dramatic?...where is this "incredible anger" you speak of on this topic. And calling others "trolls" is the last defense to a losing argument so please keep up. Many are just pointing out the hypocricy of a track that let drug cheaters thrive but now supposedly care about the horses, all the while putting the red carpet out for Baffert.
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None of the 3 riders you mentioned- Paco Lopez, Frankie Pennington or Mychal Sanchez- rode at Mth on opening day 5/28 (or on 5/29)
I have no idea on how they got mounts and missed opening day...

Maybe they said they had a prior commitment....

But as you can see...they are NOT at Monmouth on a regular basis...!!
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I have no idea on how they got mounts and missed opening day...

Maybe they said they had a prior commitment....

But as you can see...they are NOT at Monmouth on a regular basis...!!
Lopez just got there this past weekend, which was his plan all along as far as I’ve read. I wouldnt expect Sanchez or Pennington to ride there regularly- they ride at Parx so maybe hitting Delaware on Saturdays. Pennington was at Belmont 6/6.

The opening night issue I believe pertained only to jocks that had calls that day that they did not honor. I believe the only jock who gave calls but did not ride was Gallardo, who is riding at Presque Isle. Mth said if he wants to ride he would need to have a hearing first.

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Lopez just got there this past weekend, which was his plan all along as far as I’ve read. I wouldnt expect Sanchez or Pennington to ride there regularly- they ride at Parx so maybe hitting Delaware on Saturdays. Pennington was at Belmont 6/6.

The opening night issue I believe pertained only to jocks that had calls that day that they did not honor. I believe the only jock who gave calls but did not ride was Gallardo, who is riding at Presque Isle. Mth said if he wants to ride he would need to have a hearing first.
Thx AL for the info...

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