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05-23-2021, 09:12 PM
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Originally Posted by cj
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He used to train in California years ago. Originally from Argentina.
Had a penchant for popping up outta nowhere in maiden claimers.
Most recently he had resurfaced as the listed assistant trainer for that grey Argentine horse that ran in the Pacific Classic and a couple of races in Kentucky in the last half of 2020.
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05-24-2021, 01:26 AM
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Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Austin, Tx
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A serious regulating body would launch an investigation into this. Both were hopeless longshots. The winner of race 6 was 30-1 ML, went off at 9-1, was the tied for 3rd most in the place pool and 2nd most in the show pool. The exacta with the 4 (favorite) running second paid $88. But the exacta with the favorite winning over his horse was paying $121.
No way this is legit but, hey, Gulfstream Park got their 24% cut, so all is good.
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05-24-2021, 02:50 AM
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Join Date: Mar 2021
Posts: 122
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SSSOOOOOOOOO OOOOVVVVVVVEEEERRRR GP
I am 41 years old and learned the track on my own. Never really had a mentor, no family was in the game etc.. Anyways I wake up and go bed thinking about racing. with that being said after the 6th race at GP was over. I ripped my pages out of the form. will never play that meet again until the top jocks and trainers come back in fall. I have seen some games but today was the topper for me. 30ml dropped in the gate to 9-1. give me a answer. That trainer should walk straight down to the stuarts office and explain his technique
i would love one member to explains a angle i missed in my handicapping that
makes think if i should used that 3 horse w Chuck Lugo .PLEASE PLEASEhttp://www.paceadvantage.com/forum/images/UBGX/E3.gif
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05-24-2021, 10:19 AM
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clean money
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Maryland
Posts: 23,559
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Originally Posted by FRMNBRI
I am 41 years old and learned the track on my own. Never really had a mentor, no family was in the game etc.. Anyways I wake up and go bed thinking about racing. with that being said after the 6th race at GP was over. I ripped my pages out of the form. will never play that meet again until the top jocks and trainers come back in fall. I have seen some games but today was the topper for me. 30ml dropped in the gate to 9-1. give me a answer. That trainer should walk straight down to the stewards office and explain his technique
i would love one member to explains a angle i missed in my handicapping that
makes think if i should used that 3 horse w Chuck Lugo .PLEASE PLEASEhttp://www.paceadvantage.com/forum/images/UBGX/E3.gif
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Tough game.
You gotta 'read between the lines'... you gotta bring out the cold-war vocabulary; "I smell a 'sleeper'!"
but the game settles into a logical routine. Things make sense, until they don't.
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05-24-2021, 11:05 AM
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thanks Robert for the reply. That is very true. You do have to read between the lines and think outside the box. I guess sometimes when it makes no sense at all is when it makes sense
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05-24-2021, 09:35 PM
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Join Date: Feb 2020
Posts: 436
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Track Phantom
A serious regulating body would launch an investigation into this. Both were hopeless longshots. The winner of race 6 was 30-1 ML, went off at 9-1, was the tied for 3rd most in the place pool and 2nd most in the show pool. The exacta with the 4 (favorite) running second paid $88. But the exacta with the favorite winning over his horse was paying $121.
No way this is legit but, hey, Gulfstream Park got their 24% cut, so all is good.
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IDK. Obviously the connections knew this horse had a great chance in this race and someone opened up a briefcase to bet and walked out with a wheelbarrow. Whomever crushed the win and exacta could have made a lot more money though if they bet through one of those services that pays on track prices but doesn’t commingle in the pools. Most of the time they cap win odds at 25-1 and surely without the insider money the odds would have been over that.
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05-24-2021, 11:19 PM
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Join Date: May 2008
Location: Nebraska
Posts: 15,123
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Money laundering?
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05-25-2021, 12:01 AM
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@TimeformUSfigs
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: Moore, OK
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Quote:
Originally Posted by westernmassbob
IDK. Obviously the connections knew this horse had a great chance in this race and someone opened up a briefcase to bet and walked out with a wheelbarrow. Whomever crushed the win and exacta could have made a lot more money though if they bet through one of those services that pays on track prices but doesn’t commingle in the pools. Most of the time they cap win odds at 25-1 and surely without the insider money the odds would have been over that.
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People bring this up often, but it isn't that easy. Those places you speak of don't care for getting one put over on them much.
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05-25-2021, 12:21 AM
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Beat up 💪
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: Beach life in Fort Lauderdale
Posts: 11,938
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I get my winners from the guy who sells hotdogs.
Caribou Club , won the feature Saturday. 60k sunny isles stakes. The big screen has been off for a week. I need that on the apron. Something going on underneath it, I see small front end loader and crew working. I heard power problem. I heard drainage for new surface coming. No one knows , but off for a week.
5 furlong turf sprint, decent field. I caught the winner coming back from the high crossover.
Some Belmont play from the South Beach Tiki Hut. Once you get in here, you can't cross over to the main apron. You have to play from here all day.
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05-25-2021, 12:29 AM
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Join Date: May 2009
Posts: 1,492
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3 winners
He had 3 winners Sunday new trainer angle read between the lines people and stop crying
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05-25-2021, 09:50 AM
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Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Queens, NY
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dansan
He had 3 winners Sunday new trainer angle read between the lines people and stop crying
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Many years ago I was whining to a couple of friends about a trainer that was moving up a lot of horses and beating me. They gave me a surprised look. They were betting on him. They shared my view that he was probably doing something "nefarious" and didn't like it in the sport, but the money they were winning was just as green.
If you legitimately find a profitable angle, you are allowed to hate what's going on and still bet on it.
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05-25-2021, 10:37 AM
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Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: NJ
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dansan
He had 3 winners Sunday new trainer angle read between the lines people and stop crying
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Those were the guy's first three starters in 12 years, he won two. Where was everyone supposed to "read between the lines" to spot the angles for a trainer that hadn't sent a horse to the gate in 12 years? What angle does a trainer with no starters in a decade and 12 career winners in the mid-2000s present? I'm sure you were all over it....
Edited to add: Should have known classhandicapper was all over this "angle" of betting a trainer who never saddles a horse.
Last edited by castaway01; 05-25-2021 at 10:38 AM.
Reason: correction
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05-25-2021, 12:36 PM
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Join Date: May 2009
Posts: 1,492
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Test
Maybe you should run a test first time new trainer of claimed you might be surprised
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