The DQ (or non-DQ) complaint thread

[v j stauffer]

Originally Posted by Robert Fischer

'Perspective' is valuable.

I'm not sure whether I think interviewing should even be part of the process.
Traditional routine. It portrays a sense of integrity. It encourages 'intent' to be wrongly considered....





Film review is tough. Doing it on the clock is sightly harder.

Has nothing to do with the major problems here.





That seems a little harsh. Vic was arguably in the top 500(perhaps even better) Stewards Of All Time in terms of watching film.

The significant problem is a low quality of the stewards, .

These guys stink, and the hiring process and evaluation process stinks.
The known 'job requirements' Stink.

They don't know the job. Some parts are done well, some parts have a supeficial knowledge.

Stewards are currently expected to know the rules, handle routine situations, know when to apply the rulebook vs when to use common sense.

They aren't even required to be highly-skilled race watchers!


Stewards superficial understanding of race watching harms the game.
High quality Racing Product, and then once in a while it is marred by having almost a game-show like seriousness,

OK A LAYMAN WILL NOW SELECT NUMBERS AND YOU COULD WIN $50,000!!!
*SPIN THE WHEEL!*

Significant outcomes in the results of the races for the horses, connections, horseplayers, fans...

Thanks Robert. Appreciate the nice words.

Actually Stewards are required to be excellent, trained race watchers. They train on it at accreditation schools, take CE's and attend meetings to go over interesting films at least twice a year.

Of course some are better than others. But I've NEVER worked with a Steward that was terrible & clueless. Well actually one but it's a rarity. She would just wait until me and the other guy would watch the movie and vote whichever way we would. If we disagreed she'd go with whomever convinced her.

That's very rare.

We also learn from each other.

Best film watcher I ever worked with was in Ca. Hall of Famer jockey Darrell McHargue. I learned a ton from him. Lot's of others I've worked with either as announcer or fellow steward that were terrific. Walter Blum, Jeff Noe, Charlie Camac, Pete Pederson, Hubert Jones, Scott Chaney, Kim Sawyer, Grant Baker, Will Meyers, John Herbevaux, Dave Samuels, Albert Christianson, Kenny Church, Stan Bowker, Jorge Estrada, Jeff Williams, Tom Ward and many others.

[Robert Fischer]

Originally Posted by v j stauffer

Thanks Robert. Appreciate the nice words.

Actually Stewards are required to be excellent, trained race watchers. They train on it at accreditation schools, take CE's and attend meetings to go over interesting films at least twice a year.

Of course some are better than others. But I've NEVER worked with a Steward that was terrible & clueless. Well actually one but it's a rarity. She would just wait until me and the other guy would watch the movie and vote whichever way we would. If we disagreed she'd go with whomever convinced her.

That's very rare.

We also learn from each other.

Best film watcher I ever worked with was in Ca. Hall of Famer jockey Darrell McHargue. I learned a ton from him. Lot's of others I've worked with either as announcer or fellow steward that were terrific. Walter Blum, Jeff Noe, Charlie Camac, Pete Pederson, Hubert Jones, Scott Chaney, Kim Sawyer, Grant Baker, Will Meyers, John Herbevaux, Dave Samuels, Albert Christianson, Kenny Church, Stan Bowker, Jorge Estrada, Jeff Williams, Tom Ward and many others.

You know the steward game.

[SBD400]

I gotta around to grading Saturday’s races today. I had already watched that replay 25 times last week, but watched another 10 times today. What a horrible call. 1 should have been DQed, he came out on 7, 7 took space of the 11, hard to tell whether they made contact, but the 11 seemed to overreact to 7 and basically took himself out of race. 12 did nothing other than being next to 11.

Stewards cited pressure??? What do they consider the garbage Irad does frequently?? I have seen Irad come out into the lane of another horse, make contact twice and not get DQed. But pressure with no contact is a DQ?

[Robert Fischer]

Originally Posted by SBD400

I gotta around to grading Saturday’s races today. I had already watched that replay 25 times last week, but watched another 10 times today. What a horrible call. 1 should have been DQed, he came out on 7, 7 took space of the 11, hard to tell whether they made contact, but the 11 seemed to overreact to 7 and basically took himself out of race. 12 did nothing other than being next to 11.

Stewards cited pressure??? What do they consider the garbage Irad does frequently?? I have seen Irad come out into the lane of another horse, make contact twice and not get DQed. But pressure with no contact is a DQ?

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[v j stauffer]

Originally Posted by SBD400

I gotta around to grading Saturday’s races today. I had already watched that replay 25 times last week, but watched another 10 times today. What a horrible call. 1 should have been DQed, he came out on 7, 7 took space of the 11, hard to tell whether they made contact, but the 11 seemed to overreact to 7 and basically took himself out of race. 12 did nothing other than being next to 11.

Stewards cited pressure??? What do they consider the garbage Irad does frequently?? I have seen Irad come out into the lane of another horse, make contact twice and not get DQed. But pressure with no contact is a DQ?

Pressure with no contact can very much be a foul. However that's NOT what happened here. should not have been DQ'd.

[cj]

Originally Posted by v j stauffer

Pressure with no contact can very much be a foul. However that's NOT what happened here. should not have been DQ'd.

In all my years watching racing, I've never once heard the term pressure used to explain a DQ until this one.

[aaron]

Originally Posted by cj

In all my years watching racing, I've never once heard the term pressure used to explain a DQ until this one.

That is because they have run out of excuses for their incompetences ,so they made up a new one.

[v j stauffer]

Originally Posted by cj

In all my years watching racing, I've never once heard the term pressure used to explain a DQ until this one.

Hope you're feeling better.

It's actually not that uncommon in explanations CJ.

What I've experienced myself the most is when running down the backstretch an outside horse will continue to angle in without sufficient clearance. Many inside will react without being contacted. Eventually the one's nearest the rail have to get out of dodge or get dropped.

Codex provided pressure to Genuine Risk in the Preakness. Never touched her but was correctly DQ'ed.

Merry Christmas to all the PA'ers.

[cj]

Originally Posted by v j stauffer

Hope you're feeling better.

It's actually not that uncommon in explanations CJ.

What I've experienced myself the most is when running down the backstretch an outside horse will continue to angle in without sufficient clearance. Many inside will react without being contacted. Eventually the one's nearest the rail have to get out of dodge or get dropped.

Codex provided pressure to Genuine Risk in the Preakness. Never touched her but was correctly DQ'ed.

Merry Christmas to all the PA'ers.

Thanks, better today than yesterday so looking up.

I get what it is, just have never heard it used in an explanation over the PA. But as much racing as I've watched, I'm sure I've missed many more.

[the little guy]

Originally Posted by cj

Thanks, better today than yesterday so looking up.

I get what it is, just have never heard it used in an explanation over the PA. But as much racing as I've watched, I'm sure I've missed many more.

Codex was disqualified in the Preakness? Wow, you learn something new every day. Has anyone told the connections?

[davew]

Originally Posted by ScottJ

The steward's posting covering their decision is now available. Surely, this is the insight we have been awaiting...

... or not. Brick Ambush came in. Thanks for that.

I agree with ruling. Looking at the cultivation lines, Brick Ambush came in 2-3 feet nearing top of stretch before cleared. Luckily no horses clipped heals and/or caused a chain reaction crash.

[mountainman]

Originally Posted by v j stauffer

Hope you're feeling better.

It's actually not that uncommon in explanations CJ.

What I've experienced myself the most is when running down the backstretch an outside horse will continue to angle in without sufficient clearance. Many inside will react without being contacted. Eventually the one's nearest the rail have to get out of dodge or get dropped.

Codex provided pressure to Genuine Risk in the Preakness. Never touched her but was correctly DQ'ed.

Merry Christmas to all the PA'ers.

Merry Xmas, Vic. I'm sure this holiday season finds you upbeat and well-situated.

Health and happiness to the entire board, as well.

[v j stauffer]

Originally Posted by the little guy

Codex was disqualified in the Preakness? Wow, you learn something new every day. Has anyone told the connections?

Good call.

I guess I "thought" he should have been.

[v j stauffer]

Originally Posted by mountainman

Merry Xmas, Vic. I'm sure this holiday season finds you upbeat and well-situated.

Health and happiness to the entire board, as well.

Thanks pal. All the best to you and your family.

[v j stauffer]

Originally Posted by davew

I agree with ruling. Looking at the cultivation lines, Brick Ambush came in 2-3 feet nearing top of stretch before cleared. Luckily no horses clipped heals and/or caused a chain reaction crash.

What's a cultivation line?