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View Poll Results: What is your primary source of handicapping information?
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Paper and Pencil using a printed racing form
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30.15% |
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Commercial software using a commercial electronic data file
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37.50% |
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Your own app/spreadsheet using a commercial electronic data file
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17.65% |
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Tip sheet service
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Your app/spreadsheet manually inputting from a racing form
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2.21% |
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other
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12.50% |
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03-31-2015, 06:03 AM
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Registered User
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: MI
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Primary source of info for handicapping
What would you say is your primary source for handicapping? Mine is BRIS Multicaps data file uploaded into my own app.
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03-31-2015, 05:18 PM
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Out-of-town Jasper
Join Date: Nov 2009
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Mine is the track program pinned to a dart board.
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03-31-2015, 05:25 PM
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Top Horse Analytics
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: Las Vegas, NV
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Originally Posted by therussmeister
Mine is the track program pinned to a dart board.
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There have been days when that would have worked better for me. 
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03-31-2015, 05:36 PM
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Location: MI
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The tote-board should have been included as an option.
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03-31-2015, 07:35 PM
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Join Date: Jan 2006
Posts: 28,546
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All these "modern" players on this site...and pencil-and-paper still leads the standings in the poll? 
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03-31-2015, 07:41 PM
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Scum Bum!
Join Date: May 2013
Location: Lexington, KY
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Originally Posted by thaskalos
All these "modern" players on this site...and pencil-and-paper still leads the standings in the poll? |
Dont have the 'puter know how, but its the way I taught myself years ago, thask....Might bring out the calculator from time to time though.. 
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03-31-2015, 08:26 PM
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Veteran
Join Date: Mar 2009
Posts: 9,893
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3D-printing technology.
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03-31-2015, 08:38 PM
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Registered User
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Audubon, PA
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Originally Posted by thaskalos
All these "modern" players on this site...and pencil-and-paper still leads the standings in the poll? |
Once the whales entered the ocean of North American racing, the "evolution of the revolution" got stopped cold in its tracks. Their programs and betting methods are the best that money can't buy. Therefore, pencil and paper may be the best, cheapest and most logical alternative. The old EF Hutton commercials come to mind- "we make money the old fashioned way, we earrrrrrrrrrn it".
Last edited by Elliott Sidewater; 03-31-2015 at 08:39 PM.
Reason: typo
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03-31-2015, 09:46 PM
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Registered User
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Houston Tx.
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The title should be Primary Sources of info for handicapping.
I don't think that any serious handicapper uses only one source and each source that a handicapper uses is as important as the other sources.
I use paper and pencil, DRF, Statsmaster, Brisnet PPs provided by Whobet, common sense & after March 31st, the jockey and trainer stats that my friend Cliff Smith has been emailing to me every day for at least ten years.
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04-01-2015, 02:12 AM
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Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: Reno, NV
Posts: 16,908
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Mine is the track program pinned to a dart board.
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Amazingly, with a little something added, you might be able to make that work.
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Once the whales entered the ocean of North American racing, the "evolution of the revolution" got stopped cold in its tracks. Their programs and betting methods are the best that money can't buy. Therefore, pencil and paper may be the best, cheapest and most logical alternative. The old EF Hutton commercials come to mind- "we make money the old fashioned way, we earrrrrrrrrrn it".
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I am thinking that qoute should be amended to read:
"we make money the old fashioned way, we STEAL it." 
... but I do agree with your position, Elliot. 
... Or else you have to use a computer to simulate a paper-and-pencil approach. That is, old fashioned contender selection and some less-than-hi-tech value analysis.
That is pretty much what I'm doing. Only thing is that I have semi-automated the whole process so that I can do a race in about 3 minutes.
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04-02-2015, 11:44 PM
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Veteran
Join Date: May 2014
Location: Lincoln, NE
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Originally Posted by thaskalos
All these "modern" players on this site...and pencil-and-paper still leads the standings in the poll? |
Eh... them damn new fanglers.
How about eying a form and figuring @W*& out in your own damn head?
Maths. If you can't do the maths on the fly, then you best be getting out of wagering on ponies.
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04-03-2015, 02:22 AM
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EXCEL with SUPERFECTAS
Join Date: Mar 2004
Posts: 10,206
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My own software/program with commercial data files, all automated.
When your top pick hits only slightly less than the public, but produces positive long term ROIs (or even slightly negative ROIs) then you're doing something right. When you have the ability to wager on your top 2 or 3 picks in the same race, to win, and make very positive ROIs, you're really doing something right.
It doesn't matter what software, or pencil and paper method, or whatever method you use, if either of the 2 items in the above paragraph are true.
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04-04-2015, 09:21 PM
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Paladin & Fudge
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: CALIFORNIA
Posts: 347
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Data/methods
Utilizing my own Excel program, two commercial programs and data from Bris...but mostly relying on my own Excel program for final decisions.
I believe, to rely on another method mostly, especially if produced by a commercial source, may make it very difficult to turn a profit. Many clever users out there with commercial programs; however, several of the more "robust" computer programs mentioned on this site, require such a long learning curve, computer programming skills, etc., probably are worth pursuing, if one wishes to "do the work".
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04-05-2015, 09:23 AM
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The 19th Hole
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Russellville, KY
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Bris Ultimate PP's and an iPad. That's it for me. Probably why this is a hobby and mostly fun instead of a source of income....
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04-06-2015, 03:38 PM
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PA Steward
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: Del Boca Vista
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Originally Posted by Lemon Drop Husker
Eh... them damn new fanglers.
How about eying a form and figuring @W*& out in your own damn head?
Maths. If you can't do the maths on the fly, then you best be getting out of wagering on ponies.
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