Beyer Bashers Unite!

[WinterTriangle]

Originally Posted by Tom

Sorry about that.

huh?

I'm showing a profit of under $10.

Where are you getting $36.40 on first number picks from the number posted? Using first numbers for win?

The only races won, using the first number, was race 3, race 6, and race 9.

Tom, check me on this, and check the math, would ya?


and Light, wouldya start another topic on OTHER handicapping methods? This topic is about mechanical beyer picks. Pace started it in order to analyze a method.

If you want to analyze Bris or anyone else, start your own darn topic.

It's confusing enough just to figure out how this one came out today.

[Light]

Tom


You calling me a liar?

[Light]

Originally Posted by WinterTriangle

If you want to analyze Bris or anyone else, start your own darn topic.

Sorry if you cant multitask but Bris figs are the main competition to Beyers figs.

[Greyfox]

Surely when any handicapper says..... .. ..
he doesn't mean that you should box 3-6-7.
He/she is suggesting potential win candidates.
They might run in 7/2/3/5 and he/she has still given you the winner.
Or they might not show up at all. The numbers are strictly an opinion.
You have to use your own common sense....if you have it.

[Greyfox]

Originally Posted by Light

Tom


You calling me a liar?

Q. Have you always told the truth?

[WinterTriangle]

Originally Posted by Greyfox

Surely when any handicapper says..... .. ..
he doesn't mean that you should box 3-6-7.
He/she is suggesting potential win candidates.

Grey, I said that already.

I did take the time to analyze the selections in a number of different ways. I was told only the first number counted, and I still don't know what the other 2 are for.

However, I did include ALL 3 figures into my analysis, and if ANY one of them won, I recorded it as a win.

I also assumed use for exactas. Why give out 3 numbers if none of them are going to even comprise the exacta?

Most punters on this forum give out better picks than that on a daily basis, handicapping by hand......at least, from what I can see.

using the first number as I was instructed for win, the results are pretty paltry, although they do show a small profiit.

I guess using other people's picks just isn't for me LOL I don't get the whole point of a 7 dollar profit BEFORE expenses.

[Greyfox]

Originally Posted by WinterTriangle

Grey, I said that already.

I did take the time to analyze the selections in a number of different ways. I was told only the first number counted,

WT ..We agree. In any horse race there are several realistic contenders for the win.
Saying that only the first number counts is bone headed and whoever said that fits that category.

[cj]

Originally Posted by Greyfox

WT ..We agree. In any horse race there are several realistic contenders for the win.
Saying that only the first number counts is bone headed and whoever said that fits that category.

Those were the simple rules going in. Others were listed instead of scratches. Not everyone plays vertical exotics.

[Greyfox]

Originally Posted by cj

Those were the simple rules going in. Others were listed instead of scratches. Not everyone plays vertical exotics.

?? I'm not quite sure what you're saying here, but I suspect we agree.
Three numbers are given. They are potential win picks. Right?

[cj]

I thought it was pretty clear only one horse would be picked as the win bet, the others listed as insurance. Playing the way WT suggested is a sure way to the poor house with anyone's selections.

[WinterTriangle]

Originally Posted by cj

I thought it was pretty clear only one horse would be picked as the win bet, the others listed as insurance. Playing the way WT suggested is a sure way to the poor house with anyone's selections.

CJ --

I agree, but I wasn't "suggesting" anything. I was analyzing the picks in as many ways I could think of in all fairness to the sysytem.

But after I "suggested" that that all 3 could be used for win prospects, I was told only the 1st horse should be used.


Outcome:
~If using only the first number for win, the profit for the day was around $7-----before any expenses.

~If using all 3 numbers as possible win candidates, the profit for the day drops dramatically due to extra wagering costs.


It's only one day, but IMHO, this particular day's picks was not profitable enough to warrant my interest.


Other than applying my own handicapping, which requires work, the picks were not of value. IF put up as purely mechanical, for a punter who wants to do ZERO work on their own, then there was around a $7 profit before expenses.

[Greyfox]

Originally Posted by cj

I thought it was pretty clear only one horse would be picked as the win bet, the others listed as insurance. Playing the way WT suggested is a sure way to the poor house with anyone's selections.

Nope. We disagree. I play pick 3's. I have no problem playing 3 x 3 x 3 plays or variations thereof and am doing very well.
If we are betting one horse to win, and only that, then I can do well too.
That's not the game I play though. In the words of Bobby Jones, when he first saw Jack Nicklaus..."He plays a game I am not familiar with."
Just betting 1 horse to win isn't my bailiwick.

[McSock]

Originally Posted by Light

I actually used a totally mechanical system with the Bris figs today at GG. I generally played the top bris fig in the place pick all. 10 races using only 1 horse a race. I got 9 out of 10 in the place pick all with Bris figs on a $1 investment.

This is how Bris did compared with Beyer.

ToP Beyer horse Pim
W P
1) - -
2) - -
3) 6.20 3.80
4) - -
5) - 5.20
6) 3.40 2.60
7) - -
8) - -
9) 3.80 2.80
10) - -
11) - -
12) - -
Win return $13.40 -44% ROI
Place Return $14.40 -40% ROI

Top Bris horse GG
W P
1) - -
2) - 2.40
3) - 3.00
4)7.60 3.60
5)- 6.40
6)4.80 3.20
7)- 4.60
8)4.20 3.40
9) 10.20 4.00
10) - -

Win return $26.80 +34% ROI
Place return $30.60 +53% ROI

So yeah,Beyers suck and you pay more for them.

I normally stay out of the mud slinging, but this post is the most convoluted, bias, damn near unethical comparison I have seen on this website. Apples to apples, but not kumquats to peanuts. That is like saying Secretariat was not as good as Joe's plow mule because he beat him once. Give us the bris for Pim not GG then make your claims

[Tom]

Originally Posted by Light

Tom


You calling me a liar?

Not at all. I'm calling you a coward and pathetic for trying to cherry pick a track after races are run to try to save face. Ergo the Bwaaaaaccck!

WT - 36.40 total returned, not profit

[Greyfox]

Originally Posted by McSock

this post is the most convoluted, bias, damn near unethical comparison I have seen on this website.

A comment begging an explanation?