The DQ (or non-DQ) complaint thread - Page 91 - Horse Racing Forum - PaceAdvantage.Com

thaskalos · 05-22-2017, 03:47 PM

How does the winning

not get disqualified in today's 6th race at Finger Lakes?

parlay · 06-07-2017, 08:08 PM

WOW, HOW DO THEY LEAVE THIS HORSE UP? LOVE TO HEAR THE EXPLANATION.

SuperPickle · 06-08-2017, 10:20 PM

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WOW, HOW DO THEY LEAVE THIS HORSE UP? LOVE TO HEAR THE EXPLANATION.

I think they ruled it didn't cost anyone a placing. Basically if there's no contact it's still 3-8-9-7

PaceAdvantage · 06-09-2017, 04:13 PM

SA Race 1 today...they took down the winner? Really?

It helped me, but really...can't believe they were able to come to that conclusion based on the video evidence...

Andy Asaro · 06-09-2017, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage

SA Race 1 today...they took down the winner? Really?

It helped me, but really...can't believe they were able to come to that conclusion based on the video evidence...

Typical. I had the 2 and the 2 was tiring. No way on earth anyone should have come down. Ridiculous call.

cj · 06-09-2017, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage

SA Race 1 today...they took down the winner? Really?

It helped me, but really...can't believe they were able to come to that conclusion based on the video evidence...

I have no idea how that call was made, probably based on jockey "interviews". Can't these guys plead the fifth?

Andy Asaro · 06-09-2017, 07:23 PM

Peter Miller really lays into them and he's 100% right.

SuperPickle · 06-09-2017, 08:03 PM

So I've already spent about an hour talking about this DQ today. I ran third so I had no skin in the game.

Basically its the type of DQ I hate. It looks like something on the pan but the reality is the

of horse was out of horse and couldn't keep up with the other two. He also slide out a path.

The only possible exception that would make this DQ remotely ok is this. Some tracks have unique rules with unique setups. This is a unique setup in that its not only 6.5 down the hill but the rail is also extended. If you look at the head on the temporary rail off the turn and the regular rail do not aligned. The regular rail comes out farther. So there could be a rule that when the rails are at that setting you can't rail slide at the gap which is what Arroyo did. So it could be a simple case as when the rails are extended on the main course you're not suppose to slide up the rail at the gap because its a safety issue. If they took him down under that logic I'm fine with it. If they're actually saying he interfered with the horse its an awful DQ.

This is why you need stewards interviews on the in house feed to explain these things. What Arroyo did was ballsy at the least, reckless at the most. If they took him down because of a safety issue I'm fine with it because Talmo almost went down. He objected and he appeared rather saucy. If they actually believe he interfered with the horse that's b.s.

caused his own problems. But if rail sliding at the gap with extended rails is a no-no than its a no.

Curious what the ruling says on paper. This one is not as cut and dry as it looks.

Andy Asaro · 06-09-2017, 10:22 PM

AltonKelsey · 06-09-2017, 10:51 PM

Just looked at this for the first time.

If not for the 5 on the outside, causing some tight quarters, I don't think the 2 ever has to check.

The winner was simply running faster. He came out 1/2 a lane, but not in a
way that could be considered abnormal.

Had I bet the winner , I'd have a few choice words for the stewards, and maybe a few of their close relatives .

SuperPickle · 06-10-2017, 12:08 AM

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https://twitter.com/CHRBMike/status/873330302289977345

That's not how I saw it. Nor do they address the rail settings which I think is the problem. Basically you come off the turn and there's the temporary rail, then the gap, then the main rail which is out further than the temporary rail. Not to mention maybe in the year 2017 we should have a straight rail the length of the stretch with no gaps?

It's easy to blame the stewards since they make the call. It's easy to blame the jockeys since they ride the horses.

But here's a hot take. How about in 2017 all race tracks have straight rails from the turn to finish. Take a look at the last at Golden State. The second place runner gets nailed late when the temporary rail ends and he drifts two paths to the other rail setting. The margin of lose is basically the exact distance he drifts in. Maybe with a true rail he wins. You see races at places like Golden Gate, Monmout, Tampa and other tracks where the temporary rail ends late on the turf, horses drift and lose placing by a inchs.

Yet in 2017 no one can fix this?

oughtoh · 06-10-2017, 01:20 AM

I had the winner that was taken down and to me after they turned for home that the 2 and 5 both came over on the winner. Then the 5 kept coming over through the stretch. The jock on the winner was whipping with his right hand and looked like they kept the staightest line.

cj · 06-10-2017, 12:25 PM

Not sure what is worse, the DQ or the explanation of the DQ.

Andy Asaro · 06-10-2017, 01:27 PM

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Not sure what is worse, the DQ or the explanation of the DQ.

They always seem to add insult to injury when they explain stuff.

cj · 06-10-2017, 01:44 PM

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They always seem to add insult to injury when they explain stuff.

Pickle is right about the rail too. Asking horses to hold a perfectly straight path when the path to the wire isn't straight is a bit much.