pricci on desormaeux

[v j stauffer]

Originally Posted by Tom

Yes, I do.
What is the amount of money wagered on him that was STOLEN by his inept riding? Add that up for all the races over the years. That is the real nature of his infraction. He failed to do his jobs and costs CUSTOMERS tens of thousand of dollars over and over.
Does anyone inside racing know what CUSTOMER means?

All the jerk has to do to avoid the severe penalty is to HIS FREAKING JOB. Screw him is he loses a fortune. Self-inflicted.

No one is making ride like a sack of potatoes. If he is not up to the job, perhaps he should find other employment. (PLEEEEEZE)

Racing is a big time game - lots of money involved.
No room for two-bit riders.

What would you thing would be a fair penalty for a stock broker who habitually failed to sell when he was told to?

Same thing. Exactly the same thing.
Incompetence is not acceptable.

Ok. We disagree. Are you going to block me? And call me a career criminal? Say I'm a blight on the racing industry? Block my wife?

Or just say we agree to disagree?

[Andy Asaro]

Originally Posted by v j stauffer

Ok. We disagree. Are you going to block me? And call me a career criminal? Say I'm a blight on the racing industry? Block my wife?

Or just say we agree to disagree?

This is who he is.

[GMB@BP]

I think most people would want to see a increasing punishment for a long standing violation on the same circuit, it would feel more fair.

[Andy Asaro]

Originally Posted by GMB@BP

I think most people would want to see a increasing punishment for a long standing violation on the same circuit, it would feel more fair.

Haven't you figured out that they could care less about fairness? Vic is living proof.

[v j stauffer]

Originally Posted by turfnsport

Sorry just not really interested in having a discussion with someone that has defended just about every dumb decision ever made by the Cal stewards and the CHRB. Its exhausting...LOL...Kent's long history of screwing horseplayers is well documented. It should have been handled a decade ago. Kent rode for us in his hey day in Maryland and never did that crap.

And it's 1/9 it won't be long before he does it again.

There have been MANY times I've disagreed with decisions made by the stewards and or the CHRB.

Often I've been accused of being a CHRB homer when all I was doing was explaining how the process works and what the rule book says.

For example the non starter issue that's caused all these attacks.

The ONLY thing I've ever said about that incident is I knew what the stewards would HAVE to decide because I know how the rule is written.

For sharing that I'm the anti-christ.

Talk about killing the messenger.

[Andy Asaro]

[v j stauffer]

Originally Posted by Andy Asaro

This is who he is.

I know you're going to be shocked by this. But just because the great Andy Asaro says it doesn't make it true.

You continue to make personal, unfounded, slanderous, defamatory attacks towards me and all I've ever said in response is I disagree with your opinion as to whether that horse should have been a non starter or not.

I don't need to say anything negative about you.

You're doing it for all of us.

Very Sad.

You should be ashamed of yourself.

[Andy Asaro]

Stop stalking. Go away

Balan on CHRB dealing with Desormeaux. CHRB a comical shit show. Really

After the case was sent to CHRB investigators, Herbuveaux said the stewards were instructed that "the investigative staff need not be involved in the decision-making process. That was a matter for the stewards to decide." When asked who gave those instructions, Herbuveaux said, "I didn't talk to him, but I believe it was (CHRB chief steward) Darrel McHargue."

When asked why the stewards initially sent the case to CHRB investigators instead of ruling on the case immediately, Baker said, "I don't think there (was) apprehension. We wanted to be thorough."


https://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-rac...-riding-effort

[PaceAdvantage]

Originally Posted by Andy Asaro

Stop stalking. Go away

This might be a shock to you, but this board ISN'T TWITTER.

You can't tell someone to go away. They have just as much right to post in any thread as you do. Even threads you start.

Take this bullshit to twitter if you must, but stop it here. Last warning.

[jay68802]

Recently the CHRB has avoided addressing poor decisions by the Stewards, until some "industry insiders" spoke publicly about it. Acted surprised when they were told that the public found that the late odds movement, due to large rebated wagers, was suspicious. (The CHRB knows who the "whales" are and comp them hotel rooms and meals when it is requested) And appointed a committee to look into it. (We don't care, but a token committee should hold them over) Caved to the owners and trainers stance on out of competition drug testing, giving them the ability to designate who is responsible for the horse. And now decide that no investigation is needed, we will give out a short suspension, and that should be good enough. (Not that this was a surprise) And their lack of action, when a trainer has some horses die from a heart medication, was comical to say the least.

All of these actions by the CHRB show a bias towards the "industry people" and a complete disregard for the betting public.

[GMB@BP]

Originally Posted by Andy Asaro

Haven't you figured out that they could care less about fairness? Vic is living proof.

leave me out of your personal feud, thanks.

[Nitro]

It always amazes me how intolerant some people can be. They’re involved in a game where so many intangibles can affect the outcome of a race including human error.
I’ve followed Kent’s career for quite a while and it certainly took me some time to get over the Big Brown debacle in the Belmont Stakes. Yet, I’ve caught so many solid long shots when he’s been aboard that I can’t fault him for an occasional blunder. I was so glad to hear that he’s been able over come his alcohol problem so far, and I hope he’s able to continue making progress.

[turfnsport]

Originally Posted by Nitro

It always amazes me how intolerant some people can be. They’re involved in a game where so many intangibles can affect the outcome of a race including human error.
I’ve followed Kent’s career for quite a while and it certainly took me some time to get over the Big Brown debacle in the Belmont Stakes. Yet, I’ve caught so many solid long shots when he’s been aboard that I can’t fault him for an occasional blunder. I was so glad to hear that he’s been able over come his alcohol problem so far, and I hope he’s able to continue making progress.

These are not "occasional blunders", they are conscious decisions to wrap up on horses when he feels he can't win. And I think it is completely unrelated to his alcohol problems.

[Elkchester Road]

Originally Posted by jay68802

Recently the CHRB has avoided addressing poor decisions by the Stewards, until some "industry insiders" spoke publicly about it. Acted surprised when they were told that the public found that the late odds movement, due to large rebated wagers, was suspicious. (The CHRB knows who the "whales" are and comp them hotel rooms and meals when it is requested) And appointed a committee to look into it. (We don't care, but a token committee should hold them over) Caved to the owners and trainers stance on out of competition drug testing, giving them the ability to designate who is responsible for the horse. And now decide that no investigation is needed, we will give out a short suspension, and that should be good enough. (Not that this was a surprise) And their lack of action, when a trainer has some horses die from a heart medication, was comical to say the least.

All of these actions by the CHRB show a bias towards the "industry people" and a complete disregard for the betting public.

Jay, your last sentence is like hitting a nail with a sledgehammer!!! Industry Officials/Regulators DO NOT CARE ABOUT THE BETTING PUBLIC!!! Their every action/inaction shows they are beholden to "industry people". I suppose it has always been this way to some extent but now it is almost like it is done brazenly and with a high degree of hubris. Medication issues off-track...drag feet/kick the can down the road. Tilted playing field with rebates/CRW teams? Their shortsightedness sees this as "good business". Now...even on track performance/behavior by the humans involved gets treated with kid gloves. Does anybody ever ask these geniuses what their plan of action will be when "the chicks come home to roost" regarding the environment they create? It seems their every move tells the betting public "this is our world and YOU DON'T MATTER". News flash for these arrogant clowns...we all know they could care less about the droves they have driven away. When these "whales" see their opportunity dry up...they will take their piles of money to the next opportunity. They couldn't give a rat's ass about the well-being of racing...only their R.O.I. Then racing will finally have their Utopia. They won't have to answer to anybody but themselves...which is what they deserve.

[Elkchester Road]

Really, everybody...we all knew some semblance of what happened was what was going to happen, didn't we?

Stewards soft-played punishments for this in the past. This time...passed to the CHRB. CHRB soft-plays the situation. Nobody is surprised. Kind of like Hot Potato, isn't it???

And... the reasoning that this is what the rules mandate doesn't fly. CHANGE THE RULES!!!

What I don't get is the disconnect these numbskulls have with realizing this is bad for business. Even if this particular incident didn't affect a bettor, the fact that officials didn't lower the boom on this behavior means similar incidents can and will occur which could affect this bettor. Possibly for a LOT of money. This incident doesn't exist in a vacuum. Not to mention...isn't the prestige of the profession and the money to be earned worthy of maximum effort? Guess not. This entire episode reeks of arrogance and hubris. Think not? Go to a betting window and call out a large bet (but decidedly less than the money Desormeaux cost that horse's connections) as the last horse is loaded. Gate springs open. Inform the Teller (with about as much concern as Desormeaux had/has) your wallet is still at home. Bet the way you are dealt with is drastically different than how Kent was dealt with. Arrogance...accompanied by a middle finger.