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09-02-2018, 11:55 AM
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cj tweeted that Yoshida ran a huge speed figure. I am not really convinced, given we know Gunnavera's level.
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09-02-2018, 11:59 AM
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No, Low figure- 118.
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09-02-2018, 12:47 PM
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Sooner or later they are going to run a major stakes at Saratoga on an honest track, it just won't be this year.
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09-02-2018, 12:54 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by classhandicapper
Sooner or later they are going to run a major stakes at Saratoga on an honest track, it just won't be this year.
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Don't know if the track had anything to do with it more than the troubled trips one sees in large fields.
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09-02-2018, 03:04 PM
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That race was sloooow, Yoshida may run in the BC Classic because its way more value as a stallion, but that perfect trip against a bad field hardly qualifies him for the classic at the short odds he will be.
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09-02-2018, 05:46 PM
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Originally Posted by GMB@BP
That race was sloooow, Yoshida may run in the BC Classic because its way more value as a stallion, but that perfect trip against a bad field hardly qualifies him for the classic at the short odds he will be.
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You have to admit he was a man among boys.......he did it easy
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09-02-2018, 06:21 PM
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102 Beyer / David Grenning twitter.
Seems a touch high considering Leofric ran about a 95/96 and finished 2 lengths back of the winner.
I don't know the Beyer scale stuff, so maybe that does work out, but I'd be interested in feedback on either the scale or if anyone has the Beyer for Leofric's Woodward.
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09-02-2018, 06:42 PM
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Something like 1.7 points per length, so 96 would be low.
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09-02-2018, 06:57 PM
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Something like 1.7 points per length, so 96 would be low.
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Thanks Tom,
so 1.7 x 2 = 3.4
102-3.4 = 98.6 degrees
It's close enough to Leofric's ballpark projection. Maybe a couple points high, but I can't argue over small stuff. Seems reasonable 
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09-03-2018, 02:45 PM
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Don't know if the track had anything to do with it more than the troubled trips one sees in large fields.
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I agree that large fields tend to have faster paces, more trouble, and more horses that wind up out of position, but I'd have to say from watching the races Saturday, being very far back was less of a disadvantage than it is on the typical race day on most tracks.
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