The DQ (or non-DQ) complaint thread

[Mdnspecialist]

Originally Posted by Thomas Roulston

For what it's worth, the equibase footnotes read as follows:

"FINAL FRONTIER came away in good order, went three wide on the first turn, stalked the pace on the outside, made a bid in the two path on the far turn, took the lead in the three path into the stretch, led determinedly into the final sixteenth, came out late and bumped HIZEEM forcing him simultaneously into STRIKE ME DOWN and narrowly prevailed on the wire. STRIKE ME DOWN was taken in hand early, rounded the first turn in the three path under restraint, settled near the back while outside on the backstretch, went around the far turn in the three to four path, swung seven to eight wide into the stretch, rallied outside under a strong hand ride, was given one crack of a right-handed whip inside the furlong marker, lugged in badly while gaining fast approaching the sixteenth-pole, was corrected by the rider with hard tugs of the right rein while switched to a left-handed whip, continued to lug in while being corrected hard by the rider as he drew alongside the leading pair, maintained a straight path under correction before being bumped by HIZEEM near the wire as that one as that one was shoved out by FINAL FRONTIER and narrowly missed while having his head turned completely to the outside at the finish. HIZEEM traveled around the first turn in the four path, settled on the outside, was asked leaving the backstretch, chased in the three path on the far turn, came five wide into the stretch, loomed a threat into the final furlong, drew alongside FINAL FRONTIER near the sixteenth-pole, was bumped by that foe when he came out late and forced into STRIKE ME DOWN who was being held to a straight course under vigorous tugs of the right rein and just missed in a three-way photo ... Following the race, the rider of HIZEEM claimed foul against both STRIKE ME DOWN and FINAL FRONTIER plus there was also a stewards' inquiry. After the stewards' review, both FINAL FRONTIER and STRIKE ME DOWN were disqualified and placed second third respectively for deemed interference near the wire."

But what I'd like to know is why Strike Me Down's rider (Joel Rosario) didn't claim foul against Final Frontier.

Because he knew Final Frontier didn't do anything. The disqualification of the 8 to second was a joke. Watch the replay frame by frame..The 10 moves in as the 8 moves out just a little. Equally responsible.The hard bump was from the 4, not the 8.. More inconsistencies from the stewards as usual. Flip the script and put Chad Browns horse on top..You think they take him down. Hell no.

[burnsy]

It’s pietic justice for running my mouth. I had the to win and place. It was one of my favorite horses of the day. He came in but the jock did well to not slam the others, the other two were not innocent either. If that freaking horse runs straight it probably wins by a length or two. Thats racing luck, but the logic used to change the outcome are fuzzy. I’m glad people are saying something. It’s been worse than the rainy days here

[TheOracle]

Originally Posted by Thomas Roulston

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But what I'd like to know is why Strike Me Down's rider (Joel Rosario) didn't claim foul against Final Frontier.

Hey Thomas

I’ve seen several instances where if you’re a Jockey and your a good boy or girl you reap the benefits in later races here is an example at Gulfstream that parlay and I saw:

Originally Posted by parlay

Lets ask Jaramillo to justify that ride. Sorry, but my suspicion is that you dont screw up Ortiz, if your a good boy they will give you something later. You might not be outright fixing races but you are sure not riding them legit! But who cares what the degenerates think anyways

Originally Posted by TheOracle

Let's see what Jaramillo does today at Gulfstream he has these mounts:

Race 2
#3 Gran Lucky Girl

Race 4
#2 Extravagant Kid

Race 5
#1 We Take Checks

Race 7
#11 Hey Howie

Originally Posted by parlay

WOW, LOOK HOW AGGRESSIVE HE CAN RIDE WHEN HE WANTS TO.

Originally Posted by TheOracle

Hey Parlay,

Thanks for noticing Jaramillo if you played him across the board today he made you $73.60 per $2 win place and show wager due to the $54 number he drove home!!!

I guess he was a good boy yesterday and they gave him something today as you pointed out in your comment

Congratulations to those who saw the play and were able to make a profit!!!

And as a look at the 10th race at Saratoga yesterday I see that Joel Rosario was on the winner that paid $34

Maybe he was a good boy for not complaining but it’s almost the same scenario

[TheOracle]

I didn’t realize Rosario won the 9th, 10th and 11th races at Saratoga so maybe he was a really good boy yesterday!!!

[Mdnspecialist]

Let's see what the stewards do in the todays 3rd race at Saratoga?

[Mdnspecialist]

Originally Posted by Mdnspecialist

Let's see what the stewards do in the todays 3rd race at Saratoga?

It looks like the 3 should come down..he impeded the 2 and it cost the 2 a position... is what I'm looking at..

[Mdnspecialist]

No stewards inquiry in race 9 at Saratoga..Really...Not even gonna look at it..Just a little bumping down the stretch..That's alright..LOL!!! Oh, that's right..It's Chad Brown winner!!!

[Thomas Roulston]

First we have a double disqualification. Now we have a horse that got disqualified from last!

It just happened in the Del Mar Derby - in which Animosity was deemed to have been restrained by the assistant starter for several seconds after the gate opened, causing her to break like a sixteenth of a mile behind the rest of the field. After finishing last, Animosity was declared a non-starter.

[sour grapes]

thats a refund not a disqualification,seems to be a good decision

[KingChas]

In a nutshell;
https://www.drf.com/news/watchmaker-...-saratoga-meet

[v j stauffer]

4th race today at Parx. floated & far off the rail around far turn. 100% deserved to come down. No change.

[Thomas Roulston]

In the 7th race at Belmont, the horse, Aikenetta, was not DQ'd for coming over on the horse, Hexameter, because it obviously didn't cost Hexameter a placing (Aikenetta won by open lengths while Hezameter did hold on for second), and Aikenetta coming over didn't even seem to halt Hexameter's momentum. Even so, the Stewards did take a look at it, even though Javier Castellano, Hexameter's rider, did not claim foul.

[Mdnspecialist]

The stewards got one right at Philly in race 10...Pennsylvania Derby $1,000,000 Purse...Jockey objection only..The veered in and out, causing the to readjust her path. I don't think the horses touched at all. But it was the right call imo.

[FlintAtTheFetlock]

Yep, the antics cost the the W

Brave call...

[classhandicapper]

I had no financial interest in the race, but I didn't like that Monomoy Glrl DQ.

I don't want the stewards making subjective judgments like that.

Yes, Geroux purposely came in, and yes, Smith checked and decided to go outside. However, Monomy Girl was still clear at that time. That's race riding.

If you want to argue that all herding and race riding should be against the rules because it's dangerous and the best horse may not win, that's fine. I would even agree with that. But I see worse cases all the time without a DQ. It's subjective and will vary from track to track and race to race. IMO, the last thing we need in racing is stewards making more subjective decisions. For every one I agree with, there will be one terrible one I disagree with.

The drift out was also an issue, but she was under right handed whipping and there was still no contact. I see worse than that practically every single day I watch head on replays.

Even if you want to argue that margin was only a neck, what would have happened is still subjective. Monomoy Girl was still dead game and digging in. There's no way anyone can know if she would have let Midnight Bisou by.

There's no consistency and it's subjective. That's not a good place to be. That's why we get so many bad decisions. Unless there's contact or you are not clear when you come over, there should be no DQ UNTIL the rules are changed. Just change the rules if you don't want race riding.