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Old 07-06-2010, 04:30 PM   #31
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In which one of his books does William Quirin explain the process he uses to arrive at his Pace and Speed figs? I'm trying to write an Equisim FV that will
reproduce the numbers, especially the Quirin Pace and Speed, that I get from the DOS MPH program. The Bris conversion formula that was posted a while back does not match the MPH numbers, especially the Pace numbers.
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Old 07-06-2010, 04:56 PM   #32
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In which one of his books does William Quirin explain the process he uses to arrive at his Pace and Speed figs? I'm trying to write an Equisim FV that will
reproduce the numbers, especially the Quirin Pace and Speed, that I get from the DOS MPH program. The Bris conversion formula that was posted a while back does not match the MPH numbers, especially the Pace numbers.
It's in a book titled 'Thoroughbred Handicapping: State Of The Art' and it is a great read. It was the first handicapping book I ever bought and I still have it around. Some DRF past performance stuff is outdated as the book came out around 1985, but the other content is great. Amazon has it for about $5 or less I bet.
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Old 07-06-2010, 05:26 PM   #33
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Thanks Phantom. I'll see if I can find a copy.
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Old 07-06-2010, 05:51 PM   #34
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I found a copy at Abe Books for $2.75

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Old 07-13-2010, 11:48 AM   #35
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Quirin figures software

I bought the MPH program after starting this thread. The Quirin figures it produces do not match those done by hand calculation. I believe this is because the program is no longer supported by updated pars which is the essential element of the methodology. We need an updated and supported version of MPH or another program, hopefully the new RDSS, which includes the figures and offers annual par updates similar to what Cynthia Publishing offers with its programs.
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Old 07-13-2010, 01:04 PM   #36
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I bought the MPH program after starting this thread. The Quirin figures it produces do not match those done by hand calculation. I believe this is because the program is no longer supported by updated pars which is the essential element of the methodology. We need an updated and supported version of MPH or another program, hopefully the new RDSS, which includes the figures and offers annual par updates similar to what Cynthia Publishing offers with its programs.
You can always add the updated Par times manually to MPH and use
either Gordon Pine's or Dave Schwartz's par times with a high level of confidence and accuracy. For my money, I personally would not chance anything else.

If you decide to go with something new, I suggest you try it before you buy it and see if it works for you.

To my knowledge and I'm always open for correction, there is only one source that can accurately identify The running style of a horse in conjuntion with Quirin speed points. It seems as though this has been an issue with most software products and programmers.

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Old 07-13-2010, 04:16 PM   #37
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Bill,
Would you mind saying where you purchased the MPH Program ??

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Old 07-13-2010, 06:16 PM   #38
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I bought the MPH program after starting this thread. The Quirin figures it produces do not match those done by hand calculation. I believe this is because the program is no longer supported by updated pars which is the essential element of the methodology. We need an updated and supported version of MPH or another program, hopefully the new RDSS, which includes the figures and offers annual par updates similar to what Cynthia Publishing offers with its programs.
You can put in your own pars in the set up screen.
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Actually, I don't use or have a need for any software. I use PaceAppraiser and have been using it successfully for years. MPH is not an option for me. I don't own a copy.
If you want to buy MPH, Trackmaster sells it.
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Actually, I don't use or have a need for any software. I use PaceAppraiser and have been using it successfully for years.
Pace Appraiser is software.
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Actually, I don't use or have a need for any software. I use PaceAppraiser and have been using it successfully for years.

Pace Appraiser is software.
Being that PaceAppraiser is an internet subscription based service which is driven by software, I stand corrected. Realistically, I am not buying the software, I am buying the service. This is not a service or software that I am stuck with.
I can discontinue it at any time. I don't have to own it or make any sort of monetary, up front committments, I use it as I need it and when I choose to without committing to any protracted data plans. It works for me.
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Being that PaceAppraiser is an internet subscription based service which is driven by software, I stand corrected. Realistically, I am not buying the software, I am buying the service. This is not a service or software that I am stuck with.
I can discontinue it at any time. I don't have to own it or make any sort of monetary, up front committments, I use it as I need it and when I choose to without committing to any protracted data plans. It works for me.
Please, you are buying the software. Only it is monthly.If you use it for a year it costs you $240.00. Most vendors charge by the year, Randy chooses to charge by the month is all. You are right if you want to use it for a month it is $19.95 plus your data charges.

Continued success with it. Randy like most vendors on here are good for the business.
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Old 10-12-2010, 06:25 PM   #43
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This is an update to my original inquiry. I am still looking for someone who can write a program for my personal use which imports the past performances from PTS or similar monthly rate provider and computes the Quirin pace and speed figures using commercially available par times like Cynthia Publishing sells and updates annually. I don't need or want anything else and will pay a fair price for the program. As noted in my earlier post, Trackmaster MPH had it but does not support the old program via updated pars. Please let me know if there is a person out there who has a program or can write one for me. Thanks, Bill.
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Old 10-12-2010, 07:42 PM   #44
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This is an update to my original inquiry. I am still looking for someone who can write a program for my personal use which imports the past performances from PTS or similar monthly rate provider and computes the Quirin pace and speed figures using commercially available par times like Cynthia Publishing sells and updates annually. I don't need or want anything else and will pay a fair price for the program. As noted in my earlier post, Trackmaster MPH had it but does not support the old program via updated pars. Please let me know if there is a person out there who has a program or can write one for me. Thanks, Bill.

i could easily do this with my program, but computers are not my bailiwick and it was so long ago that my i.t. consultant helped me set up my system that i would most assuredly forget something if i tried to help you.

i don't know where you are located, but if you are ever by pen on a friday i'd be able to look at your system and could easily call my computer expert with any questions and probably set you up with the program in an hour or two. btw, i use bris.

back online here for starters: you have ms access, yes??
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