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Old 11-18-2022, 08:00 AM   #1
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Flightline vs the greatest on excel sheet..

Shout out to HHH podcast

https://t.co/raKhhQJlX5

https://t.co/6LV4qqmx0y
Great conversation last night on Flightline vs the greatest of all time

Jay Privman as a guest

Excell sheet created to compare greats of all time
https://img1.wsimg.com/blobby/go/cc0...=1668751097792

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Old 11-18-2022, 11:06 AM   #2
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Shout out to HHH podcast

https://t.co/raKhhQJlX5

https://t.co/6LV4qqmx0y
Great conversation last night on Flightline vs the greatest of all time

Jay Privman as a guest

Excell sheet created to compare greats of all time
https://img1.wsimg.com/blobby/go/cc0...=1668751097792
Uggh, can we stop this? Fightline had 6 starts. No horse with 6 starts belongs in any conversation about great horses. This is like ranking a pitcher or quarterback who played one season as among the greatest of all time.

He was a very fast horse. That's really all you can say about him.
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Old 11-18-2022, 11:38 AM   #3
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Uggh, can we stop this? Fightline had 6 starts. No horse with 6 starts belongs in any conversation about great horses. This is like ranking a pitcher or quarterback who played one season as among the greatest of all time.

He was a very fast horse. That's really all you can say about him.
Who was able to carry his speed a long way


By the way if thats the case why does racing make a big deal about Landaluce's 4 race career?
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Old 11-18-2022, 01:44 PM   #4
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Was that excel file supposed to be titled "The Best Horses of All Time" or "The Best Horses off the Top of My Head"?

Genuine Risk appears but not Skip Away (among countless others)?

Apparently nothing of note happened in the '80s (except Genuine Risk of course...)
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Who was able to carry his speed a long way


By the way if thats the case why does racing make a big deal about Landaluce's 4 race career?
5 races actually, but anyone who ranks her as a great mare alongside Beholder or Shuvee or something is making a huge error.
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Was that excel file supposed to be titled "The Best Horses of All Time" or "The Best Horses off the Top of My Head"?

Genuine Risk appears but not Skip Away (among countless others)?

Apparently nothing of note happened in the '80s (except Genuine Risk of course...)

Not mine excel sheet it was the host of the show..

Amazing when people talk great horses how they forget

A.P.Indy
Risen Star
Winning Colors
Javas Gold
Gulch
Prescisionist
Alysheba



The field Ap Indy beat in the classic was filthy good
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Not mine excel sheet it was the host of the show..

Amazing when people talk great horses how they forget

A.P.Indy
Risen Star
Winning Colors
Javas Gold
Gulch
Prescisionist
Alysheba



The field Ap Indy beat in the classic was filthy good
AP Indy was my standard for quite a while.
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Old 11-18-2022, 03:24 PM   #8
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Uggh, can we stop this? Fightline had 6 starts. No horse with 6 starts belongs in any conversation about great horses. This is like ranking a pitcher or quarterback who played one season as among the greatest of all time.

He was a very fast horse. That's really all you can say about him.
You keep using this numerical comparison but it makes absolutely no sense. How does six races equal one season for other sports? Lots of all-time great pitchers and quarterbacks play 20 seasons. So you think the average Horse of the Year winner has a 120-race career? If you're going to keep saying it, at least come up with a logical comparison.
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Who was able to carry his speed a long way


By the way if thats the case why does racing make a big deal about Landaluce's 4 race career?

She had 5 races, and she became ill and died. She was only 2. She wasn't babied along for years and then retired. Who knows what she could have become.
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You keep using this numerical comparison but it makes absolutely no sense. How does six races equal one season for other sports? Lots of all-time great pitchers and quarterbacks play 20 seasons. So you think the average Horse of the Year winner has a 120-race career? If you're going to keep saying it, at least come up with a logical comparison.

Not to switch sports but notice how the complete game has gone the way of the dinosaur? They are becoming as rare as a one hitter.
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You keep using this numerical comparison but it makes absolutely no sense. How does six races equal one season for other sports? Lots of all-time great pitchers and quarterbacks play 20 seasons. So you think the average Horse of the Year winner has a 120-race career? If you're going to keep saying it, at least come up with a logical comparison.
Besides that, those 6 starts were over two seasons, not one.
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Not to switch sports but notice how the complete game has gone the way of the dinosaur? They are becoming as rare as a one hitter.
More multi-sport analogies: it's like how in horse racing there are only five total 10 furlong Grade 1s on dirt for open company throughout the year and at least 2 of those (the Big Cap & Hollywood Gold Cup) should be downgraded to Grade 3. Don't have high hopes for the JCGC, either, although the calendar switch may keep it going at a high level.

Everything dumbed down to 9 furlongs presumably because modern horses "can't go the distance".
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You keep using this numerical comparison but it makes absolutely no sense. How does six races equal one season for other sports? Lots of all-time great pitchers and quarterbacks play 20 seasons. So you think the average Horse of the Year winner has a 120-race career? If you're going to keep saying it, at least come up with a logical comparison.
No, I'm saying you have to have a semblance of a complete career to be great. It's not a strict ratio- it's that six starts is not a career. It's nothing- and Flightline is therefore nothing compared to the great horses of history. He's just a horse who didn't run long enough to amass career achievements.
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More multi-sport analogies: it's like how in horse racing there are only five total 10 furlong Grade 1s on dirt for open company throughout the year and at least 2 of those (the Big Cap & Hollywood Gold Cup) should be downgraded to Grade 3. Don't have high hopes for the JCGC, either, although the calendar switch may keep it going at a high level.

Everything dumbed down to 9 furlongs presumably because modern horses "can't go the distance".
I don't blame very much on the Breeders' Cup, but that one probably is the fault of the Classic. If everything else is essentially a prep for the BC Classic, the tendency is always going to be to make those races shorter. And that is what has happened.
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Such an uproar over a simple spreadsheet!
Column G pretty much says it all Best Horsefor a certain year.
Who was better than FL this year? Clearly, NOT Secretariet!
I found the sheet, unlike most comments in thread, entertainibf to sit down and enjoy it, and relive many fonf me,ories.

THANK YOU to the OP for sharing it.
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