Life At Ten - An Absolute Sham - Page 23 - Horse Racing Forum - PaceAdvantage.Com

Robert Goren · 02-15-2011, 03:05 PM

I am not concerned with getting new owners into the game. I am concerned about getting new betters into game and keep the old ones from leaving. With the shape the game is in now that should be everyone who recieves a cut from the takeout concern. Please explain how this foot dragging has done that.

Tom · 02-15-2011, 03:15 PM

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Well, this is certainly one way to entice new owners into the game.

What's that, demanding that they not be cheaters, or is that a perk for the horse people?

The ONLY thing that matters here is bettors were robbed.

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As much grief as you guys give track management for coming up with bad ideas to kill the sport....

I assume you think cheating people like happened here will bring them barreling through the turnstiles?

Frankly, we need a hell of lot less owners and trainers and jockeys and races.

Dahoss9698 · 02-15-2011, 03:19 PM

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What's that, demanding that they not be cheaters, or is that a perk for the horse people?

The ONLY thing that matters here is bettors were robbed.
Frankly, we need a hell of lat less owners and trainers and jockeys and races.

The problem is, you're all talk and no substance. The owner didn't rob anyone. I know you don't care about that, because it takes away from your bluster (and more importantly post count), but as even you admitted she was a likely victim here as well.

I'm all for punishing the people who dropped the ball. Stiff penalties, to show the bettors and more importantly new or perspective bettors that this stuff isn't acceptable and won't be tolerated. But punishing the people who were innocent victims isn't going to accomplish that. I know it sounds good in internet land, but that is the only place.

Dahoss9698 · 02-15-2011, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Tom

I hold owners accountable - you do not. How would you like me say that differently?

I didn't say I don't hold owners accountable. No need to put words into my mouth. I like to hold responsible parties accountable.

You like to stand on your soap box and just blame everyone because it helps your post count and gives you a false sense of accomplishment. Yay!!!

Tom · 02-15-2011, 03:28 PM

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She may well be cleared....but until then, I think the public needs to be protected.

How well you read.

Tom · 02-15-2011, 03:33 PM

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I didn't say I don't hold owners accountable. No need to put words into my mouth. I like to hold responsible parties accountable.

You like to stand on your soap box and just blame everyone because it helps your post count and gives you a false sense of accomplishment. Yay!!! __________________

Feel better now, tough guy?

Dahoss9698 · 02-15-2011, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Tom

Feel better now, tough guy?

Oh I get it, you can talk to me however you like, but I'm not allowed to give it back to you without getting your panties in a bunch?

Yeah, okay champ.

Dahoss9698 · 02-15-2011, 03:39 PM

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How well you read.

Protected from what?

You said yourself she is a victim here. Maybe you forgot you said it, but you did. So the public needs to be protected from one of the victims?

Back to the drawing board, champ.

5k-claim · 02-15-2011, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Robert Goren

I am not concerned with getting new owners into the game. I am concerned about getting new betters into game and keep the old ones from leaving. With the shape the game is in now that should be everyone who recieves a cut from the takeout concern. Please explain how this foot dragging has done that.

You went from: the KHRC and/or the Inspector General for the Transportation Cabinet are taking too long in their investigation...

(which is not necessarily an unreasonable opinion)

All the way to: therefore we should suspend the owner(s) of the horse in question from racing any of their horses. I presume including any horse they may be partners on or in a syndicate with?

(which makes no sense)

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The "foot dragging" isn't helping anything. That's true. But I think your arguments might come across stronger if you just found a way to blame the investigation delays on excessive takeout, and left it at that.

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Tom · 02-15-2011, 05:58 PM

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Oh I get it, you can talk to me however you like, but I'm not allowed to give it back to you without getting your panties in a bunch?

Yeah, okay champ.

Hey, Ace....I made one statement here, and then the rest of my post in this thread have been trying - hopelessly - to answer YOUR questions. I have wanted enough time on your trolling or ignorance, whichever it is. You're the one getting your panties rolled up. You copy one of my posts and change the wording, then keep on making cracks about posting quantity over quality.....before you go back on IGGY, is there anything else you learned in 3rd grade you might care to share?

Robert Goren · 02-15-2011, 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by 5k-claim

You went from: the KHRC and/or the Inspector General for the Transportation Cabinet are taking too long in their investigation...

(which is not necessarily an unreasonable opinion)

All the way to: therefore we should suspend the owner(s) of the horse in question from racing any of their horses. I presume including any horse they may be partners on or in a syndicate with?

(which makes no sense)

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The "foot dragging" isn't helping anything. That's true. But I think your arguments might come across stronger if you just found a way to blame the investigation delays on excessive takeout, and left it at that.

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What action has the owner take to make it clear that what went on is unacceptable? Have they changed trainers? Made it clear that the jockey will not be getting any more on their horses? If I had a horse running a big race and it was not up to snuff, I would want it scratched. And if it wasn't, I would take action. But then thats just me. I believe the people who pay the bills should get a honest shake and if they weren't getting it, I would have nothing to do with the people involved in denying them that. It is stuff like this and the people(including the owners) who allow it to go on that will kill the game even if they drop the takeout to zero.

johnhannibalsmith · 02-15-2011, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Robert Goren

What action has the owner take to make it clear that what went on is unacceptable? Have they changed trainers? Made it clear that the jockey will not be getting any more on their horses? If I had a horse running a big race and it was not up to snuff, I would want it scratched. And if it wasn't, I would take action. But then thats just me. I believe the people who pay the bills should get a honest shake and if they weren't getting it, I would have nothing to do with the people involved in denying them that. It is stuff like this and the people(including the owners) who allow it to go on that will kill the game even if they drop the takeout to zero.

Pretty reasonable rebuttal, I must admit, as one who agrees pretty much with 5k-claim and DaHoss8675309 for the most part.

Nikki1997 · 02-15-2011, 08:37 PM

When the owners of LAT issued a public statement:

http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-raci...been-scratched

and then did not remove LAT from TP's barn, they lost all credibility. I don't think they are "responsible", but they are giving their "o.k." when they didn't remove LAT from Pletcher. The mare was pulled from a sale after the BCLC because of this fiasco and now, she is back working, still with Pletcher.

This reeks of absurdity. While many here want to pile on Ray Paulick for issues totally removed from this one, I want to thank him for being relentless not to let this travesty go unnoticed. THIS is a travesty. For the bettors and a mare who only knows how to do her job.

Dahoss9698 · 02-15-2011, 08:58 PM

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Hey, Ace....I made one statement here, and then the rest of my post in this thread have been trying - hopelessly - to answer YOUR questions. I have wanted enough time on your trolling or ignorance, whichever it is. You're the one getting your panties rolled up. You copy one of my posts and change the wording, then keep on making cracks about posting quantity over quality.....before you go back on IGGY, is there anything else you learned in 3rd grade you might care to share?

Sorry to have wasted your time trying to understand your grandstanding. I'm sure I kept you away from some REALLY important stuff. You're the best and I never should have bothered to attempt to exchange ideas with such a brilliant and well thought out mind.

thaskalos · 02-15-2011, 09:05 PM

Sadly, the horseplayers are just an afterthought in this game.

IMO...this investigation is taking a long time because they are trying to think of the proper "spin"...which would absolve all guilty parties of any wrongdoing.

And that million dollars of horseplayer money that was lost on a horse who should never have made it to the starting gate in the first place?

No big deal...those horseplayers would have lost that money in the subsequent races anyway...