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Old 08-17-2017, 07:09 PM   #16
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Truth is Trump isn't very popular... you can wander over to 538 and see that. I know you'll respond with Fake News or bad Pollsters but everything on there is completely transparent about how they formulate their results.
The NY Post, by no means a liberal paper, reports Trump's current job approval rating is 35%.

http://nypost.com/2017/08/16/trumps-approval-rating-sinks-to-lowest-point-yet/
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As stated in the opening paragraph, they do not understand their country is a form of democracy, a republic.

Neither do they understand as a form of democracy we can meet with citizens and officials from foreign countries, with some restrictions in times of war and some instances in making foreign policy.

In other words they are upset, because they are ignorant as to structure and rights
Wow! you are a fount of info. I didn't know any of these things! Please enlighten me further and I will be eternally grateful!
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Old 08-17-2017, 07:41 PM   #18
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Wow! you are a fount of info. I didn't know any of these things! Please enlighten me further and I will be eternally grateful!
Maybe you do? I was responding to the info in the piece. Very apparent they are upset, because they are ignorant of the type of democracy they live in and the rights accorded to all of its citizens.

Oh that is right the dems don't want people who disagree with the agenda to be able to exercise Constitutional rights. My bad, I forgot. Sorry for attributing the loathing to ignorance of rights versus oppression of rights.

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That's 35% more than Hillary.
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Same reason the right hated Obama. Party before country. Easy.
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The NY Post, by no means a liberal paper, reports Trump's current job approval rating is 35%.

http://nypost.com/2017/08/16/trumps-approval-rating-sinks-to-lowest-point-yet/
That number doesn't have a meaning....what politician would like to run against him. So far in his political career he has beat all comers. I would think that the only politician that has a chance would be his VP. I would also think that the press would have lower popularity, they would probably be in the teens, they are his biggest adversary. Also, Congress would have lower numbers, I would guess in the twenties. So, who is this fictitious person running against Trump. Choose anyone, I'll take the bulldog.
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That number doesn't have a meaning....
It means that a lot of people that voted for him are not very impressed with the way he has been doing his job lately.
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Same reason the right hated Obama. Party before country. Easy.
I have never "hated" Obama.

I can say this though; I do "hate" his most ardent supporters as the blind sheep of everything that is wrong in this country.

Watching and hearing our "news" on a daily basis, including social media, is extremely disturbing. Our masses have been given an outlet for hate..., and hate is what our fellow American does best.
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Shows how weak the fields were on both sides of thee aisle.
Oh...if only the true savior of the nation hadn't been cheated by Hillary and the DNC -- where there was some real palatable collusion going on -- this country would be so much better by now. For one thing...we'd already have single payer health care on the law books.
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It means that a lot of people that voted for him are not very impressed with the way he has been doing his job lately.
Maybe...until you give him a opponent.
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Because he is a compulsive liar, delusional, pathologically narcissistic, and generally batsh*t crazy.

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By the way, I don't hate him. His lies and ego-maniacal antics are often amusing. But he is clearly not fit to be president.

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By the way, I don't hate him. His lies and ego-maniacal antics are often amusing. But he is clearly not fit to be president.
Do tell what it means to be "fit" to be president?? And, your qualifications to make such a judgement....
Maybe toss in the qualifications a president should have.....
(waiting).....
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Maybe toss in the qualifications a president should have.....
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The ability to work with a Congress controlled by his own party to pass major legislation that they all want?
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Do tell what it means to be "fit" to be president?? And, your qualifications to make such a judgement....
Maybe toss in the qualifications a president should have.....
(waiting).....
Here is the opinion of 50 very qualified individuals
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STATEMENT BY FORMER NATIONAL SECURITY OFFICIALS
The undersigned individuals have all served in senior national security
and/or foreign policy positions in Republican Administrations, from
Richard Nixon to George W. Bush. We have worked directly on
national security issues with these Republican Presidents and/or their
principal advisers during wartime and other periods of crisis, through
successes and failures. We know the personal qualities required of a
President of the United States.
None of us will vote for Donald Trump.
From a foreign policy perspective, Donald Trump is not qualified to be
President and Commander-in-Chief. Indeed, we are convinced that he
would be a dangerous President and would put at risk our country’s
national security and well-being.
Most fundamentally, Mr. Trump lacks the character, values, and
experience to be President. He weakens U.S. moral authority as the
leader of the free world. He appears to lack basic knowledge about and
belief in the U.S. Constitution, U.S. laws, and U.S. institutions,
including religious tolerance, freedom of the press, and an independent
judiciary.
In addition, Mr. Trump has demonstrated repeatedly that he has little
understanding of America’s vital national interests, its complex
diplomatic challenges, its indispensable alliances, and the democratic
values on which U.S. foreign policy must be based. At the same time,
he persistently compliments our adversaries and threatens our allies and
friends. Unlike previous Presidents who had limited experience in
foreign affairs, Mr. Trump has shown no interest in educating
himself. He continues to display an alarming ignorance of basic facts of
contemporary international politics. Despite his lack of knowledge, Mr.
Trump claims that he understands foreign affairs and “knows more
about ISIS than the generals do.”
StatementofFormerNationalSecurityOfficials.docx
Mr. Trump lacks the temperament to be President. In our experience, a
President must be willing to listen to his advisers and department heads;
must encourage consideration of conflicting views; and must
acknowledge errors and learn from them. A President must be
disciplined, control emotions, and act only after reflection and careful
deliberation. A President must maintain cordial relationships with
leaders of countries of different backgrounds and must have their respect
and trust.
In our judgment, Mr. Trump has none of these critical qualities. He is
unable or unwilling to separate truth from falsehood. He does not
encourage conflicting views. He lacks self-control and acts
impetuously. He cannot tolerate personal criticism. He has alarmed our
closest allies with his erratic behavior. All of these are dangerous
qualities in an individual who aspires to be President and Commanderin-
Chief, with command of the U.S. nuclear arsenal.
We understand that many Americans are profoundly frustrated with the
federal government and its inability to solve pressing domestic and
international problems. We also know that many have doubts about
Hillary Clinton, as do many of us. But Donald Trump is not the answer
to America’s daunting challenges and to this crucial election. We are
convinced that in the Oval Office, he would be the most reckless
President in American history.

[QUOTE]Donald B. Ayer
Former Deputy Attorney General
John B. Bellinger III
Former Legal Adviser to the Department of State; former Legal Adviser
to the National Security Council, The White House
StatementofFormerNationalSecurityOfficials.docx
Robert Blackwill
Former Deputy National Security Advisor for Strategic Planning, The
White House
Michael Chertoff
Former Secretary of Homeland Security; former Assistant Attorney
General for the Criminal Division, Department of Justice
Eliot A. Cohen
Former Counselor of the Department of State
Eric Edelman
Former Under Secretary of Defense for Policy; former National Security
Advisor to the Vice President, The White House
Gary Edson
Former Deputy National Security Advisor, The White House
Richard Falkenrath
Former Deputy Homeland Security Advisor, The White House
Peter Feaver
Former Senior Director for Strategic Planning, National Security
Council, The White House
Richard Fontaine
Former Associate Director for Near East Affairs, National Security
Council, The White House
Jendayi Frazer
Former Special Assistant to the President and Senior Director for
African Affairs; former Assistant Secretary of State for African Affairs
StatementofFormerNationalSecurityOfficials.docx
Aaron Friedberg
Former Deputy National Security Advisor to the Vice President, The
White House
David Gordon
Former Director of Policy Planning, Department of State
Michael Green
Former Special Assistant to the President and Senior Director for Asia,
National Security Council, The White House
Brian Gunderson
Former Chief of Staff, Department of State
Paul Haenle
Former Director for China and Taiwan, National Security Council, The
White House
Michael Hayden
Former Director, Central Intelligence Agency; former Director, National
Security Agency
Carla A. Hills
Former U.S. Trade Representative
John Hillen
Former Assistant Secretary of State for Political-Military Affairs
William Inboden
Former Senior Director for Strategic Planning, National Security
Council, The White House
StatementofFormerNationalSecurityOfficials.docx
Reuben Jeffery III
Former Under Secretary of State for Economic Energy and Agricultural
Affairs; former Special Assistant to the President for International
Economic Affairs, National Security Council, The White House
James Jeffrey
Former Deputy National Security Advisor, The White House
Ted Kassinger
Former Deputy Secretary of Commerce
David Kramer
Former Assistant Secretary of State for Democracy, Human Rights, and
Labor
James Langdon
Former Chairman, President’s Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board, The
White House
Peter Lichtenbaum
Former Assistant Secretary of Commerce for Export Administration
Mary Beth Long
Former Assistant Secretary of Defense for International Security Affairs
Clay Lowery
Former Assistant Secretary of the Treasury for International Affairs;
former Director for International Finance, National Security Council,
The White House
Robert McCallum
Former Associate Attorney General; former Ambassador to Australia
StatementofFormerNationalSecurityOfficials.docx
Richard Miles
Former Director for North America, National Security Council, The
White House
Andrew Natsios
Former Administrator, U.S. Agency for International Development
John Negroponte
Former Director of National Intelligence; former Deputy Secretary of
State; former Deputy National Security Advisor
Meghan O’Sullivan
Former Deputy National Security Advisor for Iraq and Afghanistan
Dan Price
Former Deputy National Security Advisor
Tom Ridge
Former Secretary of Homeland Security; former Assistant to the
President for Homeland Security, The White House; former Governor of
Pennsylvania
Nicholas Rostow
Former Legal Adviser to the National Security Council, The White
House
Kori Schake
Former Director for Defense Strategy, National Security Council, The
White House
Kristen Silverberg
Former Assistant Secretary of State for International Organizations
StatementofFormerNationalSecurityOfficials.docx
Stephen Slick
Former Special Assistant to the President and Senior Director for
Intelligence Programs, National Security Council, The White House
Shirin R. Tahir-Kheli
Former Special Assistant to the President and Senior Director for
Democracy, Human Rights and International Operations, National
Security Council, The White House; former Ambassador and Senior
Advisor for Women’s Empowerment, Department of State
William H. Taft IV
Former Deputy Secretary of Defense; former Ambassador to NATO
Larry D. Thompson
Former Deputy Attorney General
William Tobey
Former Deputy Administrator, National Nuclear Security
Administration, Department of Energy; former Director for Counter-
Proliferation Strategy, National Security Council, The White House
John Veroneau
Former Deputy U.S. Trade Representative
Kenneth Wainstein
Former Assistant to the President for Homeland Security and
Counterterrorism, The White House; former Assistant Attorney General
for National Security, Department of Justice
Matthew Waxman
Former Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense; former Director for
Contingency Planning and International Justice, National Security
Council, The White House

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