Triple Crown Beyers 2011 vs 2012

[redshift1]

Just for comparsion:

Derby Prep races YTD

Number of races 7

Average Beyer 2011..... 88.14

Average Beyer 2012......92.28


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[Doza]

Originally Posted by redshift1

Just for comparsion:

Derby Prep races YTD

Number of races 7

Average Beyer 2011..... 88.14

Average Beyer 2012......92.28


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The 3yo's out west are running bang up beyer's as well in allowance/maiden races. Baffert had at least 2 this last week running near a 100 beyer.

[Thomas Roulston]

So far there has been only one triple-digit Beyer from any horse - El Padrino's 100.

It was pretty much the same way at this time last year.

[redshift1]

There are 5, 100 + Beyers by 3YR olds to date, topped by Algorithms 105 which was changed from a 98 to 105.

To early to determine if 2012 will yield faster 3YR old Beyers than 2011, will know more in couple of weeks as 6-7 stakes races for 3YR olds are scheduled.

My guess, 2012 will yield more 100 + Beyers than 2011 if early trends continue.

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[Thomas Roulston]

I did forget about Overdriven's 100 Beyer - which is he only other one besides El Padrino's 100 that showed up among all the 3-year-old colts/geldings assigned any weight at all on the EFH when I printed the list from the DRF web site a few days ago.

[cj]

Originally Posted by Thomas Roulston

I did forget about Overdriven's 100 Beyer - which is he only other one besides El Padrino's 100 that showed up among all the 3-year-old colts/geldings assigned any weight at all on the EFH when I printed the list from the DRF web site a few days ago.

Two fillies have done it.

[Tread]

As if any of this matters. There will still be half a dozen complaints on here before summer about how much "this crop sucks", as there is every year on this board regardless of what is actually happening.

[PaceAdvantage]

Originally Posted by Tread

As if any of this matters. There will still be half a dozen complaints on here before summer about how much "this crop sucks", as there is every year on this board regardless of what is actually happening.

Very helpful. Thanks so much.

[JustRalph]

Is a 4 point difference any real difference at all? Especially at this stage of the game?

[redshift1]

14 preps so far:

2011.........2012

90.71........93.92

[Blenheim]

Originally Posted by redshift1

14 preps so far:

2011.........2012

90.71........93.92

Would be interesting and informative to know how many recent Kentucky Derby, Preakness or Belmont winners had the highest figure . . . the highest BSF, PF, Bris or Equibase.

[CincyHorseplayer]

Most of the preps have been fairly uncompetitive.When the playing field starts to get even and these horses are pushed to their limits we will see what they are capable of.They are always an interesting and potentially profitable group,fast or not.

[redshift1]

Originally Posted by Blenheim

Would be interesting and informative to know how many recent Kentucky Derby, Preakness or Belmont winners had the highest figure . . . the highest BSF, PF, Bris or Equibase.

Trying to find this information is time consuming as the racing data publishers seem to be in the dark ages and unwilling to share this information except in small individually billable portions.

[Steve R]

Originally Posted by Blenheim

Would be interesting and informative to know how many recent Kentucky Derby, Preakness or Belmont winners had the highest figure . . . the highest BSF, PF, Bris or Equibase.

I can provide a little info on PFs. Since 2000 there have been four Derby winners with the best 3yo route figure going into the race (Big Brown, Street Sense, Smarty Jones and Fusaichi Pegasus). One had the second best (Super Saver) and two had the third best (War Emblem and Monarchos).

For the other TC races I have readily available data just back to 2005. Three Preakness winners since then had the best 3yo figure (Shackleford, Rachel Alexandra and Big Brown). One had the second best (Afleet Alex) and one had the third best (Bernardini). In the Belmont, two since 2005 had the best 3yo figure (Rags to Riches and Afleet Alex) and two had the third best (Drosselmeyer and Jazil).

[Blenheim]

Thanks for posting the PFs . . . no doubt they have proved their stuff.
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I've been followin' the PFs and the pace parameters closely this year and along with some pedigree data you have provided I'm thinkin' the Pletcher horse is lookin' pretty tough right now with Hansen and Union Rags right there with him. Hopefully he'll make it to the gate and he gets an off track. It'll be interesting to see how things shake out in the San Felipe with three Dual Qualifiers goin' in that one along with the Kwon horse, Groovin' Solo. Looks like the west coast boys might have somethin' for em' this year. Any thoughts on the San Felipe and this crop of Derby contenders?

Can't go without sayin' and givin' a good and fine thanks for the work you have done at your site this year, many of us appreciate it.
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I've got a question or two regarding the PFs. How dependent are the PFs and the complete pace parameter data set upon the ability of the jockey? Can a bad ride or two skew the complete data set? And the data itself is dependent upon the observations of the chart callers. How reliable are any figures based upon what may be inaccurate data?

Thanks

Nothin' like the Derby Trail. Lookin' forward to the San Felipe, the Tampa Bay Derby and the Swale!