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08-21-2017, 06:47 PM
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It is Time to Free the Data
I just read this column by Paulick from 7 years ago:
https://www.paulickreport.com/news/r...ree-our-stats/
It really is time to make archived data available to horseplayers for free.
Past Performances can still be sold, but historical data should not cost anything.
As one person wrote online, even if the most recent 6 months of data has to be purchased that would be fine.
But why is 4 or 5 year old data not available?
Paulick makes a good argument.
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08-21-2017, 06:55 PM
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even pp's probably shouldn't cost anything. hard to compete with sports betting when most of their data is free across many websites online. horse racing not so much.
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08-21-2017, 07:26 PM
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DRF form cost 10 dollars
my bet cost 2 dollars. i got to hit a 5-1 in the first race to break even. 
Free data 5 years back will not help me..DRF forms for 5 dollars may help me.
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08-21-2017, 10:48 PM
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What data are you looking for? Equibase gives pretty good historical data, and for free.
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08-21-2017, 11:02 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Fager Fan
What data are you looking for? Equibase gives pretty good historical data, and for free.
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Me, in particular, nothing. I stopped betting U.S. races several years ago, but I like to advocate for anything that helps horseplayers.
A lot of handicappers create databases of racing data for use in their software programs. I was one of them and I spent quite a bit on data over the years.
Computer Handicappers need comma-delimited data. Equibase has a lot of information, but turning it into useable data that can be imported into databases requires a lot of reverse engineering. It's not worth the trouble - at least it wasn't to me.
Betfair give away their betting data. They have years of it available for download.
Have you ever heard of an ADW like tspires or xpressbet giving away archived tote data the way betfair do? Why do ts and xbet not make it available on their websites? There is a lot of valuable information that can be extracted from historical betting data -- like looking for betdown patterns, for example. Information that can be extracted from data is what drives handle. DUH
Hell, Keeneland just raised their rates, maybe they can make some free data available to boycotting handicappers to try to win them back? 
Last edited by highnote; 08-21-2017 at 11:04 PM.
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08-21-2017, 11:06 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Fager Fan
What data are you looking for? Equibase gives pretty good historical data, and for free.
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I think all they really give is charts, PDF style.
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08-21-2017, 11:14 PM
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Trakus another one, too much trouble for them to make the data downloadable.
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08-21-2017, 11:16 PM
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It's not a big deal. I just happened upon Paulick's column and agreed with him.
I realize there are data sellers who make cash selling data, but they should be selling value-added data, not basic data.
I've always believed basic racing data should be provided for free -- and it kind of is in the equibase pdf charts.
But, as Paulick says, if you want to query a database and look up Richard Migliore's stats, it cannot be easily done.
However, you can go online and find Pete Maravich's NBA stats from the 1970s.
https://www.basketball-reference.com...maravpe01.html
Think about it... Keeneland raised their rates, but what are they giving horseplayers for the extra cost they are charging to bet into their pools?
Last edited by highnote; 08-21-2017 at 11:18 PM.
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08-21-2017, 11:20 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by AltonKelsey
Trakus another one, too much trouble for them to make the data downloadable.
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Good point. Handicappers could have a field day extracting data from Trakus. But do they make it available for download in a comma-delimited format free for horseplayers? Noooooooo 
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08-21-2017, 11:43 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by highnote
Good point. Handicappers could have a field day extracting data from Trakus. But do they make it available for download in a comma-delimited format free for horseplayers? Noooooooo |
Trakus had such promise, but if it were a horse, comment would be "bid, faltered".
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08-22-2017, 01:29 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cj
Trakus had such promise, but if it were a horse, comment would be "bid, faltered".
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Maybe it's just not that accurate and they want to save themselves the embarrassment of being found out?
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08-22-2017, 06:10 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cj
Trakus had such promise, but if it were a horse, comment would be "bid, faltered".
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"Bid, faltered, lost the rider"
Nobody pushing to make it better anymore. I was very hopeful in the beginning
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08-22-2017, 10:13 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by JustRalph
"Bid, faltered, lost the rider"
Nobody pushing to make it better anymore. I was very hopeful in the beginning
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Yes. Everyone seems resigned to the inevitable. Racing in the US is dying a long slow death.
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08-25-2017, 03:33 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by highnote
But, as Paulick says, if you want to query a database and look up Richard Migliore's stats, it cannot be easily done.
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These kinds of queries (jockeys, trainers, horses, owners, graded stakes, tracks) have been available for free for quite some time.
Just go to Equibase and click the entity you want to search from the drop down and search box on the top of every page.
Example: Migliore
http://www.equibase.com/profiles/Res...ype=J&eID=1269
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08-25-2017, 03:55 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ubercapper
These kinds of queries (jockeys, trainers, horses, owners, graded stakes, tracks) have been available for free for quite some time.
Just go to Equibase and click the entity you want to search from the drop down and search box on the top of every page.
Example: Migliore
http://www.equibase.com/profiles/Res...ype=J&eID=1269 |
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