Government shutdown

[elysiantraveller]

Originally Posted by Tom

But you do judge people who support Trump.
You brand a lot of people like that.

I judge people who blatantly contradict things they've said in the past all in the name of #winning some battle against some unknown foe or "owning the libs..."

Think about it:

45% of Republicans now are okay with a 70% top tax bracket?

If you own a business and move a factory overseas so you can make more money?

You go to the grocery store and just want to buy some cheap crap?

EVUUUULLLL... Globalist... EVUUULLL... Boo Hiss...

When did telling the government to "**** off and let me make this money" become the anathema of the Republican Party? I thought this was the American Dream party? I thought the left had a monopoly on that?

What changed? The answer is Trump caters to some on the left's more base instincts... he's moving the party left.... "Don't worry... Uncle Sam has your back."

Hard. Pass.

[Clocker]

Originally Posted by elysiantraveller

Key difference is Obama was, for all practical purposes, a center-left big government democrat candidate.

Trump oscillates between far-right xenophobia and labor union democrat. That spectrum is so detached from any coherent ideology it can't help but completely change the landscape.

Exactly. Obama had a fixed political dogma that he bought into and followed.

Trump is neither dogmatic nor consistent, and he doesn't listen to "advisers". He judges each issue based on his intuition, without regard to expert opinion, fact, theory, or history.

[elysiantraveller]

Originally Posted by Clocker

Exactly. Obama had a fixed political dogma that he bought into and followed.

Trump is neither dogmatic nor consistent, and he doesn't listen to "advisers". He judges each issue based on his intuition, without regard to expert opinion, fact, theory, or history.

No argument here.

[davew]

Originally Posted by Clocker

Criticizing people who support bad policy by Trump is not branding them personally, it is pointing out that they don't understand the issues. I have never called anyone stupid for supporting Trump. I have called them uninformed.

So what is uninformed about wanting some sort of border security and restrictions on who can come in and how long they can stay?

[Clocker]

Originally Posted by davew

So what is uninformed about wanting some sort of border security and restrictions on who can come in and how long they can stay?

There is nothing uniformed about wanting that. The problem is an uniformed belief that Trump's wall is the optimal solution to that security issue.

[Burls]

Originally Posted by Tom

You two are a real witt.

I always thought you were a wit too, Tom.
But then I realized I was only half right.

[Buckeye]

Good one Burls but the facts do not support you.

[FantasticDan]

Originally Posted by Clocker

It was just as bad during the Obama years. Obama had little more government and political experience than Trump, and both were elected on the basis of who they were rather than what they had done.

Obama was a State Senator for eight years, and a US Senator for four. I would say that 12 years is actually quite a bit more than 0 years

[davew]

Originally Posted by Clocker

There is nothing uniformed about wanting that. The problem is an uniformed belief that Trump's wall is the optimal solution to that security issue.

You are not listening very well to what he is saying. He wants a multipronged approach ... more border patrol agents, more judges and crews for asylum seekers (there is a backlog of near a million people), more fencing, ....

[Burls]

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[chadk66]

Originally Posted by elysiantraveller

Democrats said no.

Before Trump started talking...

and that is why it's now on the Dems. They don't care about the people out of work and not getting paid because it's more important to stick it to Trump. The public will soon start to figure that out.

[elysiantraveller]

Originally Posted by chadk66

and that is why it's now on the Dems. They don't care about the people out of work and not getting paid because it's more important to stick it to Trump. The public will soon start to figure that out.

Because they aren't making deals around this shut down.

I don't understand why this is so difficult for Trump to get...

They aren't interested in the dealing. The public is blaming the White House. The President said he'd own this until he gets his way.

So... he's owning it.

Trump somehow thought this was going to be a negotiation when Democrats, Pundits, other Republicans, and perhaps Barron have tried telling him its not. The terms are pretty simple to him, "act like an adult and open government and we can talk... until then you can kick rocks."

Democrats are even planning on passing some bills this week that will spend an extra billion on the border. About half to update Port of Entries and the other half for judges, lawyers, court officers to process immigration claims/ deportations/ etc.

I've said it over and over its just not clicking there was never really a deal here... the only compromise that's been made so far is between Trump and Kushner.

[reckless]

Originally Posted by elysiantraveller

Reconcile these two statements... made in the same post...

Obama's economy was piss poor --- never more than 2 per cent per year. A paltry result especially since he said Bush gave us the 'worst recession since the great depression'.

Under two per cent GDP growth isn't growth, unless you're an economist who thinks he's the smartest guy in the room, or a broker who has already proven he isn't even as smart as an economist.

Clocker said that the booming Trump economy is no big deal because … Trump inherited a 'growing' economy from Obama.

That's how those two statements are reconciled.

[elysiantraveller]

Originally Posted by reckless

Obama's economy was piss poor --- never more than 2 per cent per year. A paltry result especially since he said Bush gave us the 'worst recession since the great depression'.

Under two per cent GDP growth isn't growth, unless you're an economist who thinks he's the smartest guy in the room, or a broker who has already proven he isn't even as smart as an economist.

Clocker said that the booming Trump economy is no big deal because … Trump inherited a 'growing' economy from Obama.

That's how those two statements are reconciled.

Growth isn't growth?

Rudy? Is that you?!?!?!

[JustRalph]

Originally Posted by FantasticDan

Obama was a State Senator for eight years, and a US Senator for four. I would say that 12 years is actually quite a bit more than 0 years

He voted “present” 129 times in Illinois

He missed 25 % of U.S. Senate votes.

Laser focused huh?