Brexit vote

[Parkview_Pirate]

Originally Posted by horses4courses

...They realized that adopting some western methodology
was in their favor, rather than continuing to sink further down the sewer..

Your grasp of history is rather, err, interesting. Did the Soviets think that the rise in organized crime following the downfall of communism was better than "sinking further down the sewer"?

If the Soviet path to western methodology is so great, why has the American Empire become degraded as more leftist policies have been adopted?

The Soviets went broke in the 1980s when the U.S. increased defense spending and the price of oil plummeted. If you don't want to give Reagan credit for that, that's one thing, but to make up another root cause is misleading.

[Capper Al]

Originally Posted by tucker6

He gets credit for the fall of the Soviet bloc. It was on his watch, right? After all, you give Obama credit for job gained under his watch regardless of his actual impact.

Obama got Bin Laden. That was deliberate. Reagan is credited with the Soviet Union's collapse, but did little to cause it.

[Rookies]

Originally Posted by johnhannibalsmith

There are few people on earth that despise insurance in general and medical insurance specifically more than I do but this is a crazy post in its attempt to skirt reality and place blame.

What good will it do these companies to be bankrupt? How does that help clients? The bill was written to FORCE people to buy insurance. The fact that it is a house of cards that is bound to collapse is because of the bill as written, not because insurance companies won't dig up coffee cans full of trillions to give away free health care. Hate the bill, laugh at it, and blame the bill on those responsible - those that sacrificed good legislation for political victory and an IOU from the two factions that you comically find at fault here.

AU contraire JHS, Obama shouid never, ever, ever have settled for 1/2 a loaf. You absolutely need ONE single payer, with enormous power to negotiate ALL Health costs from a position of absolute strength.

I don't give a shit about the Health Insurance industry(ies) or Big Pharma. They will always make money, just not a grotesque amount, while screwing members of a Government run health care system.

The American HC system is a step up from the dehumanizing, disgrace of scores of millions of citizens without any- but not much! It is doomed by vested interests trying to undermine it.

Do you see a groundswell of opinion in Canada from MDs, Pharma, the Conservative Party of Canada & Insurance demanding reversal of Socialist HC?

NEVER!

[Tom]

AU contraire JHS, Obama shouid never, ever, ever have settled for 1/2 a loaf. You absolutely need ONE single payer, with enormous power to negotiate ALL Health costs from a position of absolute strength.

Do they change your diapers up there, too?
How about burping you after dinner.

[tucker6]

Originally Posted by Capper Al

Obama got Bin Laden. That was deliberate. Reagan is credited with the Soviet Union's collapse, but did little to cause it.

Last I checked the intelligence community and Navy SEALS got Bin Laden. Can you provide any proof that Obama was on the SEAL team? I won't ask you to prove that he has intelligence. I do have kindness in my heart.

[horses4courses]

Originally Posted by tucker6

Last I checked the intelligence community and Navy SEALS got Bin Laden. Can you provide any proof that Obama was on the SEAL team? I won't ask you to prove that he has intelligence. I do have kindness in my heart.

The irony here is that had Obama been part of the USN Seals raid team
conservative idiots would have screamed he was neglecting his duties in Washington!!!

Another trip abroad on the taxpayers dime......brother.......

[johnhannibalsmith]

Originally Posted by Rookies

AU contraire JHS, Obama shouid never, ever, ever have settled for 1/2 a loaf. ...

I admit that my Canadian isn't so good, but it still looks French and I think I remember that first part signifying disagreement. So I hope that means that you do in fact agree with my basic premise at least and that it is safe to say that your full and complete answer is that the bill blew and still blows and what we see happening with insurance companies is the utterly obvious outcome of this charade.

[Clocker]

Originally Posted by Tom

How about burping you after dinner.

Only as long as you don't say anything bad about the meal. That's hate speech, and they have laws against that.

[zico20]

Originally Posted by Rookies

AU contraire JHS, Obama shouid never, ever, ever have settled for 1/2 a loaf. You absolutely need ONE single payer, with enormous power to negotiate ALL Health costs from a position of absolute strength.

I don't give a shit about the Health Insurance industry(ies) or Big Pharma. They will always make money, just not a grotesque amount, while screwing members of a Government run health care system.

The American HC system is a step up from the dehumanizing, disgrace of scores of millions of citizens without any- but not much! It is doomed by vested interests trying to undermine it.

Do you see a groundswell of opinion in Canada from MDs, Pharma, the Conservative Party of Canada & Insurance demanding reversal of Socialist HC?

NEVER!

I could actually consider a single payer system in the USA IF it was done correctly. That means EVERYBODY pays into it. Yes, we would have to eliminate the 70 million or so that receive free health care through Medicaid. Each person in this country would have to pay a certain amount each month, based on family size, like they do with employer based, not income based.

If a person is receiving food stamps and not working then we deduct money from their food stamps and they better be able to live off of hot dogs everyday. A law would have to be implemented not allowing an increase in their food stamp money unless indexed to inflation.

If a person is receiving unemployment benefits, then we immediately deduct health care first and then give the rest. If a person is not working and is not receiving any federal benefits then we just continue to pile up his/her debt and when that person starts a new job then we automatically deduct from their paycheck until they get caught up.

However, the left will never go for this since they want to give away as much free stuff as possible. If everyone pays, including the extreme poor, then it may be possible not to bankrupt this country. We would also have to get rid of the illegal aliens so Americans can have jobs. If a person is caught working under the table for cash to avoid paying back health care payments then that person would receive at least 10 years in jail.

[Tom]

Originally Posted by tucker6

Last I checked the intelligence community and Navy SEALS got Bin Laden. Can you provide any proof that Obama was on the SEAL team? I won't ask you to prove that he has intelligence. I do have kindness in my heart.

Got him using intel obtained from water boarding.

[Tom]

The irony here is that had Obama been part of the USN Seals raid team conservative idiots would have screamed he was neglecting his duties in Washington!!!

The only Seal Obama would ever be with would be Bobby.

[Capper Al]

Originally Posted by tucker6

Last I checked the intelligence community and Navy SEALS got Bin Laden. Can you provide any proof that Obama was on the SEAL team? I won't ask you to prove that he has intelligence. I do have kindness in my heart.

Most definitely showing the intellect of a Trump voter.

[tucker6]

Originally Posted by Tom

Got him using intel obtained from water boarding.

I recall Horsey being against Bush and water boarding. Are you accusing the libs of being two faced?

[Valuist]

Originally Posted by horses4courses

They won't trade under the same conditions as members.
That doesn't make sense, either.
Harsh tariffs and restrictions won't help anyone, though.

If Norway could negotiate good trade agreements with EU countries, I'm sure the 5th biggest economy in the world will have no problem negotiating even better agreements.

People also seem to be forgetting about the 19 billion pound membership fee for which they only got a small fraction back.

[Native Texan III]

Originally Posted by Greyfox

Does any one see the mass migration of Muslims as perhaps the major reason these countries are becoming more nationalistic?
I do.

Nothing to do with it at all.

Nationalism has arisen from the lower classes getting ignored by globalisation - same as Trump is exploiting in USA. They are frightened that they can only get zero hours work, cannot get better skills or career advancement and cannot afford to buy a house but may pay high rents all their lives. Populist political parties on the far right and far left exploit their fears and promise snake oil easy solutions.

Like in USA they reach out to blame something or someone. In Europe it is the EU and the fear of migrants taking their jobs rather than the actual cause - their own Nations which are ignoring them.
In UK they wanted to kick out against the "elites" and the "establishment" as they have nothing to lose and it is the only time during the Referendum anyone has noticed they still exist. They know voting Leave will hurt the UK but will hurt those gaining from globalisation even more.