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12-29-2011, 08:45 AM
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Mike Schultz
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: North Carolina
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Do You Continue To Play Where You Lose?
After a quick examination of my betting records for 2011 I see no big surprises. I make money at the S. California, Illinois, Louisiana and Oaklawn circuits. I lose money at the NY, Florida and Kentucky circuits. It has been this way for years now. No big deal, right, just stick to those circuits where I make money. Easier said than done for me, being basically a weekend warrior, I try to squeeze in as much action as possible when I play.
Anybody out there do the same thing?
Mike
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12-29-2011, 09:13 AM
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Location: Florida
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Quote:
Originally Posted by PICSIX
After a quick examination of my betting records for 2011 I see no big surprises. I make money at the S. California, Illinois, Louisiana and Oaklawn circuits. I lose money at the NY, Florida and Kentucky circuits. It has been this way for years now. No big deal, right, just stick to those circuits where I make money. Easier said than done for me, being basically a weekend warrior, I try to squeeze in as much action as possible when I play.
Anybody out there do the same thing?
Mike
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I try to stay away from the tracks where I continue to lose, especially the ones with synthetic surfaces. I usually don't do well with those.
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12-29-2011, 10:15 AM
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Join Date: May 2008
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that's the beauty of ADW, no reason whatsoever to play a track or circuit where you don't have a proven edge.
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12-29-2011, 10:50 AM
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For me, I do exactly what I offer to anyone asking to know more:...
"Only Play what you know at a place where it works....&...."Remain focused, separating and concentrating most of your attention on those races, where you have found something that works....
You can keep score and try to unlock or unravel the mysteries of winning at other venues, but, until you learn what they are, and win there, you can always learn for free.... (A nice option to have, except it is much harder for those who need a lotta-action, I feel for them, been there)
At some point, your game won't be all that "big", but one will have the satisfaction of cashing more often when he does play, and that should help to maintain one's eagerness and willingness to learn, as well as bolstering his confidence up consistently....We all need that, to go on, you know....
best,
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12-29-2011, 11:56 AM
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We all make bets against our better judgement...and this shows that we are not as money-motivated at the track as we think we are. We want to have "fun" too.
Some of us crave action...and see a potential winner in nearly every race.
Others play race tracks that they know they can't beat...probably because it's a blow to their ego that their "methods" are not universally applicable.
My "Achilles heel" is Turfway Park.
It draws me like a moth to a light bulb...and usually with the same result.
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Last edited by thaskalos; 12-29-2011 at 11:59 AM.
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12-29-2011, 05:24 PM
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Join Date: May 2011
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for me it is more pools than tracks
those pic3/4s are so enticing
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12-29-2011, 06:25 PM
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Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: route 66
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Quote:
Originally Posted by PICSIX
After a quick examination of my betting records for 2011 I see no big surprises. I make money at the S. California, Illinois, Louisiana and Oaklawn circuits. I lose money at the NY, Florida and Kentucky circuits. It has been this way for years now. No big deal, right, just stick to those circuits where I make money. Easier said than done for me, being basically a weekend warrior, I try to squeeze in as much action as possible when I play.
Anybody out there do the same thing?
Mike
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Bookmakers love action junkies. "Weekend warrior" may sound nicer when you look in the mirror, though. lol
Look at it from the other side. Who would you rather take a bet from? A guy who spends a few minutes evaluating a race, and repeats that process over and over. Or a guy who invests a couple of hours into a race? If it's about fun, don't bet much. If it's about money, don't throw it away.
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12-29-2011, 07:29 PM
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Join Date: Jan 2009
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Originally Posted by LottaKash
For me, I do exactly what I offer to anyone asking to know more:...
"Only Play what you know at a place where it works....&...."Remain focused, separating and concentrating most of your attention on those races, where you have found something that works....
You can keep score and try to unlock or unravel the mysteries of winning at other venues, but, until you learn what they are, and win there, you can always learn for free.... (A nice option to have, except it is much harder for those who need a lotta-action, I feel for them, been there)
At some point, your game won't be all that "big", but one will have the satisfaction of cashing more often when he does play, and that should help to maintain one's eagerness and willingness to learn, as well as bolstering his confidence up consistently....We all need that, to go on, you know....
best,
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Could not have said it better myself.
I do keep a small monthly bank set aside for the exotics. Once it's gone it's gone and I have yet to keep one alive for more than three months in a row.
Always a loser in the long run, but one day I will hit the big one
Regards,
Windoor
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12-29-2011, 07:43 PM
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Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Mukwonago, WI
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Just looked over my TwinSpires history for the year, and found that P4 is the only profitable wager I have. Was close on tris's. Was shocked at my super results because I hit some real big ones this year.
I plan to play the tracks I know I can beat, and bid farewell to the money suckers I have followed just because I can. More discipline and effort should cause me to do well in 2012.
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12-29-2011, 07:51 PM
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Join Date: Apr 2008
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Originally Posted by windoor
Could not have said it better myself.
I do keep a small monthly bank set aside for the exotics. Once it's gone it's gone and I have yet to keep one alive for more than three months in a row.
Always a loser in the long run, but one day I will hit the big one
Regards,
Windoor
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Windoor, you will do well at some point in the very near future, I suspect....I say this because of your honestly and candor of "where" you may be in the game.....All players are "somewhere" in the game, and it is of the utmost importance to know where that may be, at any point in time, imo.....
I have come far, and I know it now, but it wasn't always so.....Still, when I am unfocused and begin to stray from my standards, mediocrity quickly slips in the back door, and I get spanked more than I need to....I had to learn to know what I know, respect it, and now I just play those things that I know work consistently....Patience and Focus, and finding Value, is so key for me....
I am always learning new subtle things that add to my knowledge-base, but now I keep score "for free"....
When you get older and know a few things, it is nice to not need all that action any longer.....I still love to gamble, but mainly on my own terms now...
Several times a year, my wife and I love to go to the Casino's, and we love the "SLOTS".....The action you know, so steady.....The kind of action that I thrived on when in younger years....Surprisingly thru the years, despite the negative expectation with the slots, the Mrs. and me manage to hold our own, and rarely tap out....My point being, many players would do much better if they can manage to cut out at least some of the action...The problem with that, I think is, that when you don't know as much as you need to know in order to win, it is hard to know what to play or not play, and who to keep in or out....
We all struggle(d) with that......It is our "right of passage", that we all wish to make.... to find some "Pie in the Sky"...
best,
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"Cursed be the man who puts his trust in man" - Jer 17:5 (KJV)
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01-02-2012, 01:10 PM
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Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: California
Posts: 1,225
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Originally Posted by PICSIX
. Easier said than done for me, being basically a weekend warrior, I try to squeeze in as much action as possible when I play.
Anybody out there do the same thing?
Mike
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I do this every day... with a lot of data behind it. I've got to see a huge advantage with a +5-1 shot on the nose or I sit. It limits my play dramatically, but it's great for my wallet.
I usually lose if I partner up with someone else's exotic.
I've tried to force bets in the past by trying to bet on the East Coast as I would on the West Coast. It's a different game at ever track. It cost me a lot to learn this. If I don't have the data on a track, I won't play.
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