Jockeys’ Guild Issues Statement on CA Whip Rules

[Andy Asaro]

https://www.thoroughbreddailynews.co...ca-whip-rules/

[ronsmac]

I guess we live in different times. I see posts on different websites of people complaining about the use of the whip. The funny thing though, I never once heard a bettor complaining about the whip anytime I was actually at the track.

[ronsmac]

Some will say Constitutionaffair needed the whip in race 4.

[Andy Asaro]

Kentucky Horse Racing Commission committees approve proposed whip rules

https://www.drf.com/news/kentucky-ho...sed-whip-rules

[classhandicapper]

If the whip the jockeys are being asked to use can't adequately do the job of keeping the riders safe, I can see them being upset. But beyond that I don't see why riders or so many horse players have a problem with limiting its use. No one will have an unfair advantage and perceptions will improve. The only issue is rider safety.

[ronsmac]

Circus maximus just won at royal ascot. The first thing the commentator says is “ This horse needs the whip.” That was funny to hear after the California and Kentucky rulings.

[Robert Fischer]

Originally Posted by classhandicapper

If the whip the jockeys are being asked to use can't adequately do the job of keeping the riders safe, I can see them being upset. But beyond that I don't see why riders or so many horse players have a problem with limiting its use. No one will have an unfair advantage and perceptions will improve. The only issue is rider safety.

Good points

I'm interested in the new whip.

Have heard it described as a "Nerf sword"... Have never held it myself, or aware of a good video which details the new whip.


The riding crop I had from the '80s ('88 Mike Luzzi), had some power behind it...

[Andy Asaro]

https://twitter.com/ljlmvel/status/1...234379777?s=20



Then Johnny V to Marcus Hersh DRF

John Velazquez Retweeted
John Velazquez
@ljlmvel
Replying to
@DRFHersh
The problem with racing is people like you that makes a leaving with it and give a bad image to the game. And don’t know what you’re talking about.

[GMB@BP]

Originally Posted by Andy Asaro

https://twitter.com/ljlmvel/status/1...234379777?s=20



Then Johnny V to Marcus Hersh DRF

John Velazquez Retweeted
John Velazquez
@ljlmvel
Replying to
@DRFHersh
The problem with racing is people like you that makes a leaving with it and give a bad image to the game. And don’t know what you’re talking about.

wow, several replies within the industry. And he goes after Bailey's current position on the whip rules in a way that seems a little bit....

[classhandicapper]

I'm not going to question the expertise of the riders on their own safety, but if we are worrying about things like whether Circus Maximus (IRE) would have won today without the whip, that's the attitude that has some people with more extreme views trying to put us out of business. Whips are a minor issue in the grand scheme of things we face (like drug use, training/running horses with a history of injuries that raise the risk of a fatality, track safety etc..), but the perception has to be that the horse's well being is second only to the riders. We can't be worried about which horses respond better to whipping and which rider uses it more aggressively and effectively so we can cash a ticket. It just has to be a level playing field for all the horses and safe for everyone. Then move on to more serious issues that could get us closed down someday.

[Andy Asaro]

Perpetually retreating from the basic concept of an athletic contest (race) where people and horses try to earn their best placing is fine.

JUST DON'T ASK PEOPLE TO BET ON IT

[castaway01]

Originally Posted by Andy Asaro

Perpetually retreating from the basic concept of an athletic contest (race) where people and horses try to earn their best placing is fine.

JUST DON'T ASK PEOPLE TO BET ON IT

Drama, drama, drama as always with you. Having people like you as advocates in this sport has been a big part in what has killed it.

[GMB@BP]

Originally Posted by castaway01

Drama, drama, drama as always with you. Having people like you as advocates in this sport has been a big part in what has killed it.

In this case I agree with his position. Its a tough sport to bet on with any conviction in my opinion.

[Andy Asaro]

Originally Posted by castaway01

Drama, drama, drama as always with you. Having people like you as advocates in this sport has been a big part in what has killed it.

https://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-rac...use-amendments

John Velazquez

"The day that you actually put away the whip there will be more accidents on the racetracks, racing in the United States or anywhere. I'm telling you, it will be too dangerous to be run," he added. "So we will kiss good bye to racing if that's the case you're looking for, no hitting the horse at all. We have to come up with some idea that's actually going to be a benefit for all of us and still have a business in 100 years."

[Andy Asaro]

Ren Hakim Carothers ن
@RenCarothers

1. Crops = essential

2. Use for safety’s sake is, in most cases, not going to LOOK like a safety precaution to laymen eyes. Who gets to decide a foul?

3. Reins are NOT a steering wheel! Poor rein use RUINS mouths & natural motion, leading to injury

4. EDUCATE, not placate