Charlatan Stripped Of Arkansas Derby??

[classhandicapper]

Baffert's lawyer responded to the NY Times article and suggested the amount was very low and did not impact performance. Of course, that's his lawyer saying that.

[PhantomOnTour]

Baffert is a cheating piece of shit, period.

Remember when you were all WOWED by Gamine's performance in the Acorn?
Seriously, as racing veterans, how can y'all fall for that again?
Her career will MAYBE last two more races

[Appy]

If I understand it correctly the second test results said the incidence was of such minuscule amount (the fractional particulate was measured in trillionths) there is no way it could have affected performance of the horse. They also have a solid story put together regarding the pre-race handler of both horses in question wearing a patch on his back due to HIS condition...
I think Baffert walks away from this one. Again.

[GMB@BP]

Originally Posted by PhantomOnTour

Baffert is a cheating piece of shit, period.

Remember when you were all WOWED by Gamine's performance in the Acorn?
Seriously, as racing veterans, how can y'all fall for that again?
Her career will MAYBE last two more races

you could have a point, if baffert was the only doing something. Which he is not.

You try keeping up with the servis's and navarro's of the world with hay, oats and water.

[jay68802]

Amazingly, since they changed the rules in CA. Both, Baffert and Sadler have blamed the bad test on a employee.

The sport keeps finding new ways to look the other way.

[BIG49010]

Anybody ever put a Salonpas Lidocaine 4% Pain Relieving Maximum Strength Gel-Patch on and end up with residue that would stick around for 2 and 1/2 hours on your hands? Are they that difficult to put on, Shack seems to be able to do it, my BS detector is going off?

[dilanesp]

Originally Posted by jay68802

Amazingly, since they changed the rules in CA. Both, Baffert and Sadler have blamed the bad test on a employee.

The sport keeps finding new ways to look the other way.

Right. And people defend this stuff. Meanwhile track and field suspends people two years for cold medication. For some reason, way too many people in this sport want to cut trainers slack rather than just strictly enforcing the rules.

[Robert Fischer]

Originally Posted by BIG49010

Anybody ever put a Salonpas Lidocaine 4% Pain Relieving Maximum Strength Gel-Patch on and end up with residue that would stick around for 2 and 1/2 hours on your hands? Are they that difficult to put on, Shack seems to be able to do it, my BS detector is going off?

You think Shaq wouldn't take an edge, if there existed a substance that was icy to dull the pain, and hot to relax it away?

[burnsy]

Who knows the truth but a few people? All I can say is at least everyone knows about it. That hiding crap is more troubling. Do certain people get a “ pass” . I don’t but doing that is asking for trouble

[jay68802]

Originally Posted by Robert Fischer

You think Shaq wouldn't take an edge, if there existed a substance that was icy to dull the pain, and hot to relax it away?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlc6xCPx60U

[Jeff P]

According to the BloodHorse article by Frank Angst:

While both horses tested well above the threshold—Gamine was more than nine-times over the limit and Charlatan more than twice the limit—Robertson said the levels are still very small and he'll argue that neither horse was affected by the lidocaine in their system.

Imo, thresholds are there for a reason.

I don't care who the trainer is. When a trainer has a horse test at 9X the threshold and and another test at 2X the threshold:

The best decision the sport can make is simply enforce the rules.



-jp

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[jay68802]

Originally Posted by Jeff P

According to the BloodHorse article by Frank Angst:


Imo, thresholds are there for a reason.

I don't care who the trainer is. When a trainer has a horse test at 9X the threshold and and another test at 2X the threshold:

The best decision the sport can make is simply enforce the rules.



-jp

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To be nice on this subject, no punishment = no change.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzA_h1En8_E

[groupie doll]

So the accidental overage (9x in Gamine) was caused by an OTC, topical human product that somehow "accidentally" got onto two different animals each weighing roughly 7-8 times that of the average human that the product was designed to treat. Since the product is topical this trace amount just happened to be rubbed off onto two different horses and managed to be absorbed through the dermal layer, plus likely a haircoat (depending on where it accidentally wound up on the horse's body) to such an extent that it caused an overage in one horse 9 times above the allowed amount.

Yeah, I have a large bridge on the market as well...

[burnsy]

The “ gypsum weed” theory. Even if the overage is multiple the threshold...... somehow it expands like yeast in horses...

Hey, you are many times over...... answer: it was trace amounts of contamination......lol.... nothing to see here

[classhandicapper]

Honestly, I think the chances this was intentional are pretty close to zero.

If you are Bob Baffert and you are trying to cheat, you don't use something you know they will test for and it's almost certainly not a variation of Icy Hot. The story his lawyer is telling may be true or maybe it's used by Baffert in training and they got the withdrawal timing wrong etc... Who knows?

But that's a completely different issue than whether the horses should be disqualified and some sort of penalty should be imposed on the trainer according to the rules.