The coronavirus

[fast4522]

Originally Posted by clicknow

The whole point of shutdowns was to avoid overwhelming health care systems.

That is enough of your narrative.

What is closer to the truth is there were several factors. The first that was considered was the possibility that this was a bio weapon, yes consideration was given to the health care system. It was unclear exactly what we were dealing with and as things were fluid right? It was a normal thing that liberals would want to hijack a crisis and dominate it right? Just like your looking to own the narrative here right? The whole country is in crisis because because a percentage of the people act like animals when cooped up. No graph is going to be able to factor that into things. Your presentation suggests only one leg of a wobbly chair should be considered in how we navigate our way out of this mess.

Accept that this is a mess and the left can no longer be trusted, it is not good at managing anything.

[clicknow]

Originally Posted by ElKabong

For most people it's the sniffles and nothing more. For me, mid 60s, it was rough but not life threatening. Nothing worth shutting down the economy for

But my post was not about shutting down the economy. The economy has opened. Lets stay on subject okay.

My post was about helping your local businesses stay open, do your part not get them shut down, and not appear radioactive in every media outlet across the land, due to high covid-19 numbers, by practicing very simple things.

Because we have all seen how politicians, heath departments, "corporate" suits will see high numbers, and just shut down whole swaths of your community.

Either that, or you will just be *avoided*. By locals....and by tourists. Explain how that helps your local economy?

What did you think about both the curve and the numbers for the EU nations compared to the US on the graph?

[Tom]

Originally Posted by horses4courses

It comes down to common sense.
Plus a lack of vanity and machismo when it comes to wearing a mask.

I wear a mask without fail when I am out.
What's your point?

[FantasticDan]

"Anti-mask rally" in AZ. And if that's not stupid enough for you...

Twitter

[horses4courses]

Originally Posted by Tom

I wear a mask without fail when I am out.
What's your point?

So do I, except in the car.

I think more people should follow your example.
Too many spread it without knowing they have it.

[PaceAdvantage]

Originally Posted by clicknow

The whole point of shutdowns was to avoid overwhelming health care systems.

When economy opens up, counting positives doesn't really tell anything because you expect the cases to go up with a contagious disease.

What I do not understand is why so many of you seem uninterested in continuing to practice flattening the curve?

I do it in part to HELP my local businesses remain open and in business. Because you know how "corporate" is.......they start looking at numbers in certain communtiies then start closing stores (Apple).

Here is EU versus US. (John Hopkins). They practice what I practice there. Tell me why it's a "bad idea", looking at this graph?


As much as so many insist they want to help the economy, they are shopping online and not patronizing their local businesses.

I don't patronize online shopping. I like to keep my local businesses in business. I LIKE the businesses I shop at, as well as USPS, my 2 grocery stores, and many other small businesses like the outdoor stores where I just got all my summer-weight higher end hiking/walking socks as well as gifts for friends; I like my coffee places and I like my local Baskin Robbins, etc

I go out all the time, to all of my favorite local businesses.....but I do wear a mask and I do social distance. It's not like anyone is asking me to wear spikes inside my shoes or something?

So why aren't you helping keep your communties covid-19 curve flattened, so that they can have a chance to get thru this? Bragging about not wearing masks and not social distancing ? I don't get it?

And the more my local businesses see me, the better I get treated, each and every time. They *appreciate* me.

Here's the graph: explain to me why practicing suggested things is bad:

Love the lecture and the extrapolations. 1-2 people on here say they don't wear a mask = nobody here wears a mask when leaving home (except the super-bright and intelligent "anti-Trumpers," of course).

Do they teach this type of critical thinking in college, or do you have to do post-graduate studies to get on your level of insight and analysis?

[ElKabong]

Originally Posted by clicknow

But my post was not about shutting down the economy. The economy has opened. Lets stay on subject okay.

When restaurants operate at 50% capacity (where I am) you can't say the economy is opened. They won't stay in business long like that

Take my wife and I for example. Our chess business died in March. That's an 80k net per year operation, gone. And it probably won't come back any time soon. Restrictions placed by rec centers (city lawyers and council members) will pretty much see to it a business like ours won't go fwd

Now that YOU are educated on the subject....

[castaway01]

This has been handled as poorly as possible. Expecting the government to get anything right, as usual, costs us money and lives.

[JustRalph]

Originally Posted by ElKabong

When restaurants operate at 50% capacity (where I am) you can't say the economy is opened. They won't stay in business long like that

Take my wife and I for example. Our chess business died in March. That's an 80k net per year operation, gone. And it probably won't come back any time soon. Restrictions placed by rec centers (city lawyers and council members) will pretty much see to it a business like ours won't go fwd

Now that YOU are educated on the subject....

Amen! I’m right at 46% percent of what we were before. I’m juggling funds in the air and doing something I’ve never done. Pay interest on a credit line. Trying to get thru just a few more months

[ElKabong]

Originally Posted by JustRalph

Amen! I’m right at 46% percent of what we were before. I’m juggling funds in the air and doing something I’ve never done. Pay interest on a credit line. Trying to get thru just a few more months

Pulling for you (and mulerider & POT and other restaurant owners) but I honestly don't know how "the little guys" in your industry can survive for long

In our line of business, Dallas Chess did the smart thing by shutting down their operation until county judges aren't in control anymore & aren't spreading fear. They will re open after things calm down. Same, for my wife and I.

[JustRalph]

Originally Posted by ElKabong

Pulling for you (and mulerider & POT and other restaurant owners) but I honestly don't know how "the little guys" in your industry can survive for long

In our line of business, Dallas Chess did the smart thing by shutting down their operation until county judges aren't in control anymore & aren't spreading fear. They will re open after things calm down. Same, for my wife and I.

The first 2 weeks (May 1st to May 15) I thought we made a mistake opening. But the amount of good will and good wishes that have come our way have been phenomenal. We are also getting the other side of the coin sometimes.

I had huge blow up with a guy and his family tonight. They demanded we stay open late for them. When he called me an MF’er In front of my staff I went off. Maybe this Covid stuff is getting to all of us. The police escorted them off the property.

Even his kids flipped me off as they were leaving

[JustRalph]

https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-brief...onavirus-cases

[hcap]

So what effect has all the protesting had?

So…Why Hasn’t There Been A COVID Spike From The Protests?
https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/c...testing-spread

The National Bureau of Economic Research produced a working paper on Monday after analyzing data from 315 cities that had protests.

“We find no evidence that net COVID-19 case growth differentially rose following the onset of Black Lives Matter protests, and even modest evidence of a small longer-run case growth decline,” the researchers concluded.

....In Minneapolis, the cradle of the current movement, there have been testing sites stood up specifically for those who attended the protests.

Four sites run in partnership with the Mayo Clinic reported late last week that only 62 positive cases came out of 4,487 people tested, for a positivity rate of 1.4 percent, said Dave Verhasselt, a spokesperson for the Minnesota Department of Health. And on Tuesday, another Minnesota system called Health Partners reported a .99 percent positivity rate from the 8,500 it protesters tested.

Those figures are actually below the current statewide positivity rate which, per Verhasselt, is currently hovering around 3.6 to 3.7 percent.

.....And in Washington D.C., which has been undulating with daily protests for weeks — memorialized most famously in pictures from the aggressive clearing of Lafayette Square for the President’s photo-op — the positivity rates are getting better, not worse.

“D.C. Health is still analyzing data to assess the impact of first amendment events in D.C., however we are continuing to see a downward trend in cases overall for the District,” D.C. Health spokeswoman Alison Reeves told TPM.

....Why Is This The Case?

“My first reaction is that we’re lucky,” laughed Dr. Susan Hassig, an epidemiologist at Tulane University’s School of Public Health and Tropical Medicine.

She pointed to two features of the protests in her home city of New Orleans that appear to be shared with demonstrations in other cities: they are taking place outside, and the majority of participants are wearing masks.

[tucker6]

Originally Posted by FantasticDan

"Anti-mask rally" in AZ. And if that's not stupid enough for you...

https://twitter.com/rexchapman/statu...50050712211456

At least you’ve been consistent in calling the protests and looting without masks and in close quarters stupid.

Oh wait...

Hypocrite much.

[sammy the sage]

Originally Posted by JustRalph

The first 2 weeks (May 1st to May 15) I thought we made a mistake opening. But the amount of good will and good wishes that have come our way have been phenomenal. We are also getting the other side of the coin sometimes.

I had huge blow up with a guy and his family tonight. They demanded we stay open late for them. When he called me an MF’er In front of my staff I went off. Maybe this Covid stuff is getting to all of us. The police escorted them off the property.

Even his kids flipped me off as they were leaving

You DID THE right thing...those kids will be worthless....and waiting on THAT family would have been a nightmare....especially AFTER hours...a losing money situation...

and THAT"S THE problem with THIS WHOLE damn mess....society has turned self centered....and people doing the right thing ARE BEING penalized for it...

If people WHO ARE sick would just STAY THE frick home....shit wouldn't spread...end of story...

Unfortunately there's agenda's to accomplish...