All hail Cleveland........and Cuyahoga county

[riskman]

Unfortunately if you think of a major company that was around in the 70s or 80s, the chances are it is gone or severely downsized, and its well paid jobs with it, from just about any industry you can think of. They are too numerous to recount with any completeness, it is a sorry state of affairs.Where manufacturing remains locally, all expansion occurs abroad and the places stagnate.The railroads and links which were so important to industrial cities have all atrophied and are hardly what they were,and these jobs are also reduced.
Between unions, federal reserve inflation, taxes, and regulations, not to mention increasingly spendthrift government, Cleveland (and many other communities) have had their economic hearts ripped out. It didn't help that a lot of these cities was a one party town. (Democrat) The remaining people and businesses face higher tax burdens and lowered services, plus growing crime from the welfare/criminal underclass.
This combination drives more businesses out. The middle class is gutted, and much of the remaining middle class are civil servants dependent on the tax rolls of the remaining businesses and property owners. One income families become two income families, each earning a fraction of the lost manufacturing wage, and so on. So often, the well paid jobs that remain are government sector jobs, and most of the economically ignorant populace doesn't see the link between the loss of manufacturing on one hand and the veritable explosion in government agencies and jobs on the other.
The destruction of manufacturing and family farms (the latter accomplished as much by regulation, subsidy, and inheritance taxes as anything) IS the destruction of the middle class. So many of the jobs that replace manufacturing are not adequate to replace the income of the jobs lost. The reality is that there are only so many high wage, high value jobs in the service industries, and they are increasingly portable and no longer location dependent. Increasingly countries like China and India will also pick up the jobs requiring intellectual skills as they develop the manufacturing proficiency. You know that.
Jobs capable of producing tradable goods and services continue to be lost at a rapid rate.Computer jobs are disappearing. The United States continues to import several million legal and illegal poor immigrants each year. There is no economic or social rationale for the United States to permit massive inflows of poor people, whose needs are overwhelming U.S. taxpayers, hospitals and government budgets.
It is possible that the loss of American jobs in tradable goods and services, combined with the importation of massive numbers of poor people, will leave the United States hurting to purchase its energy needs in world markets. When the dollar's value is undermined by budget and trade deficits, energy prices for Americans will explode,and they have.
A country that substitutes foreign labor for its own domestic labor via outsourcing, offshore production and Internet hiring, a country that transfers its wealth to foreigners to pay for imports, a country that fills up with welfare-dependent multitudes while it squanders hundreds of billions in Iraq is a country headed for a major problem.
The United States has lost so much of its core industrial capability that advanced manufacturing skills are disappearing in this country. The United States lacks mass production ability in critical areas of high-tech manufacturing.
The United States assembles parts made elsewhere. Knowledge- and capital-demanding activities, such as charge-coupled devices, industrial robotics, numerically controlled machine tools, laser diodes and carbon fibers, are passing out of U.S. hands.
A service economy has less to export than a manufacturing economy. What will the United States sell abroad to pay for its energy and manufacturing imports?
We are currently paying for our imports by giving up the ownership of our companies, real estate, and corporate and government bonds.
While the once fabulous U.S. economy is now having problems , the CURRENT ADMINISTRATION thinks its most important goal is to waste massive sums of money to force "democracy" on Middle Eastern peoples who do not want it. You figure it !!!!

[Tom]

The ultimate goal is to dilute the USA so it will fit, submissively into the Global Econmoy that benfits the horizontal community of elitists.

This is the New World Order.....it is already well along. A strong US is a threat to these people, so it must go. Bush is just the current steward of our downfall. Clinton was also one. Look at the candidates running today - which one best fits the bill to evaporate our sovereignty? That is the winner.

[46zilzal]

Originally Posted by riskman

While the once fabulous U.S. economy is now having problems , the CURRENT ADMINISTRATION thinks its most important goal is to waste massive sums of money to force "democracy" on Middle Eastern peoples who do not want it. You figure it !!!!

Bravo Bravo.....

[riskman]

Originally Posted by Tom

The ultimate goal is to dilute the USA so it will fit, submissively into the Global Econmoy that benfits the horizontal community of elitists.

This is the New World Order.....it is already well along. A strong US is a threat to these people, so it must go. Bush is just the current steward of our downfall. Clinton was also one. Look at the candidates running today - which one best fits the bill to evaporate our sovereignty? That is the winner.

Yes Tom, we are in deep ----. !

[ddog]

Risk,


You are almost correct in the "force democracy on them and they don't want it".

Actually , the people at the bottom wouldn't mind it , they could then vote in the groups that have taken their side as they see it over the decades.

The extremists , to start with would win in a walk if a popular vote were allowed to stand and that's how it should be.

That is the flip side of us propping (or to be seen to be ) propping up these regimes over there that are not reflecting the masses of people.

Look at the Gaza deal, it may be bad but things are changing, people there are taking charge. We may not like it, but you have to let them play out their string on their own rope.

If we had the courage of our ideals that founded this country we would see that and let them have at it without us in the middle of things.

Once they have made their choice and then they come at us , then all bets are off.
But, you must let them run their own affairs.


That's what will happen anyway.

Wow, sorry , that is not in keeping with the thread, skip it.

[MikeDee]

http://www.breitbart.com/article.ph...&show_article=1

US mortgage crisis creates ghost town

New York-based reporter mistakes Cleveland for Shaker Heights in subprime story

-the street he described was in Cleveland not Shaker Heights
- the quotes he used were never said by the people he attributed them to
- the writer said that the number of cops has tripled, when in fact it has decreased.

No sense letting a little thing like facts get in the way of a great story.

Here is a link the the article in the Plain Dealer. You may have to enter your zip code and age to read it.

http://www.cleveland.com/news/plaind...840.xml&coll=2

[JustRalph]

and the beat goes on.............

http://www.newsnet5.com/money/15854590/detail.html


200 Local National City Jobs Head To India

POSTED: 9:07 am EDT April 11, 2008
UPDATED: 9:53 am EDT April 11, 2008


CLEVELAND -- National City officials said its preparing to outsource up to 200 jobs to India.

The jobs are moving from the 2,000-employee operations center to India.

~see the link~

An interesting DU thread on the subject

http://www.democraticunderground.com...ss=102x3264549

[JustRalph]

These people are animals..........

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php...show_article=1

[Show Me the Wire]

Originally Posted by MikeDee

I assume you read the entire article including the following:

It could have been worse. In Illinois recently, Masten said, 25,000 and 15,000 people applied at two Wal-Mart stores in the Chicago area, and neither of those is a large Supercenter.

As long as the business leaders in this country continue to export all possible jobs to China and India we will continue on the road to being a country with 4 classes of people.

The rich
The people who shop at Wal-Mart
The people who work at Wal-Mart
The people who apply for Jobs at Wal-Mart

Illinois is goverened by Democrats too. The Gov. is a Democrat and both Senators are Democrats, Durbin and Obama. A Democrat president, Clinton tought for NAFTA"s passage.The dots connect to the Democrats and their economic strategies, which is the point of the original post that the Democratic party is a failure at economic planning.

[ddog]

Originally Posted by JustRalph

These people are animals..........

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php...show_article=1

Yeah, sounds like lower taxes would help.

Sounds like it saved the local police from their fun w/sticks and tasers.
Wonder if any are left around there any more.

I say cut those taxes , arm 'em with gvt issued uzi and cordon off the place.
It will soon be over.

[46zilzal]

Originally Posted by ddog

Yeah, sounds like lower taxes would help.

Sounds like it saved the local police from their fun w/sticks and tasers.
Wonder if any are left around there any more.

I say cut those taxes , arm 'em with gvt issued uzi and cordon off the place.
It will soon be over.

Again violence is the answer to almost everything under the sun.

[ddog]

Originally Posted by Show Me the Wire

Illinois is goverened by Democrats too. The Gov. is a Democrat and both Senators are Democrats, Durbin and Obama. A Democrat president, Clinton tought for NAFTA"s passage.The dots connect to the Democrats and their economic strategies, which is the point of the original post that the Democratic party is a failure at economic planning.

WOW and all this time I thought I recalled Repub votes and demands for the deal to pass.

Must have been the drugs back then, I am hazy on that period.


Economic planning, are you auditioning for the new Gong Show?
This country doesn't need no stinking central economic planning.
Good thing, since we never do any.

That's Commie fighting words. You should be happy that the DEMS are worthless on this score otherwise there would really be some serious fallout.
What ever happened to smaller gvt anyway?
That's the idea, right?


Both parties can not be expected to plan and stick to a plan on these issues, we are too soft and lazy and greedy to allow it.
A fiat currency and a dem/repub don't go together.
It will end badly.

[JustRalph]

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/06/01/....ap/index.html

Marine, back from Iraq, shot dead in his home town

CLEVELAND, Ohio (AP) -- On leave from the violence he had survived in the war in Iraq, a young Marine was so wary of crime on the streets of his own home town that he carried only $8 to avoid becoming a robbery target.


The casket of Marine Lance Cpl. Robert Crutchfield after his funeral service, in Cleveland, on Tuesday.

Despite his caution, Lance Cpl. Robert Crutchfield, 21, was shot point-blank in the neck during a robbery at a bus stop.

Feeding and breathing tubes kept him alive 41/2 months, until he died of an infection on May 18.

Two men have been charged in the attack, and Cuyahoga County Prosecutor Bill Mason said Friday the case was under review to decide whether to seek the death penalty.

"It is an awful story," said Alberta Holt, the young Marine's aunt and his legal guardian when he was a teenager determined to flee a troubled Cleveland school for safer surroundings in the suburbs.

Crutchfield was attacked on January 5 while he and his girlfriend were waiting for a bus. He had heeded the warnings of commanders that a Marine on leave might be seen as a prime robbery target with a pocketful of money, so he only carried $8, his military ID card and a bank card.

"They took it, turned his pockets inside out, took what he had and told him since he was a Marine and didn't have any money he didn't deserve to live. They put the gun to his neck and shot him," Holt told The Associated Press.

The two men charged in the attack were identified as Ean Farrow, 19, and Thomas Ray III, 20, both of Cleveland. Their attorneys did not respond to The Associated Press' requests for comment.

Crutchfield knew he was returning to Iraq for another tour of duty, but had hesitated to tell his family until he was nearing the end of his 30-day leave.

[ddog]

First God Bless this poor soul and his family.


What SUCKS about this , is that this country/state/city runs "schools" that are allowed to be in such bad shape that a good kid like this has to transfer in fear of his life.

He reaped what the last 15-20 years of authority figures in this country have sown with our "escaping" to the burbs mentality.

After all, we shouldn't have to bother with this kind of trouble , that's for "those people" over there to worry about.

[JustRalph]

Originally Posted by ddog

First God Bless this poor soul and his family.


What SUCKS about this , is that this country/state/city runs "schools" that are allowed to be in such bad shape that a good kid like this has to transfer in fear of his life.

He reaped what the last 15-20 years of authority figures in this country have sown with our "escaping" to the burbs mentality.

After all, we shouldn't have to bother with this kind of trouble , that's for "those people" over there to worry about.

What are you griping about? Cleveland Schools graduated 37% last year?