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Old 07-11-2018, 02:13 PM   #61
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Is it common for a "computer team" to unload on a single horse in this manner? Aren't they supposedly spreading their wagers out...while trying to take advantage of every overlay on the board?

How do we know that this gigantic bet wasn't made by an individual who possessed more "inside knowledge" than is available to the rest of us?
Metro's post earlier in the thread from the Finley article explained that there were two other horses whose odds dropped as well, so it's possible money was spread around by a team. Or maybe not. Which I suppose is your point, that the regular guy doesn't know. It seems like the longer I play, the less I know.

In a way it ties in with the Mott/assistant trainer discussion here. I think everyone respects Bill Mott, and I'm sure anyone working for him for 20 years is great at their job. No one views him as a "cheater". But it doesn't invalidate the point that for the regular player not in the know, we don't know who is training the horse. And this happens way too often. We've got insiders who know, and the majority of us who don't, and that's why the number of people who care about the game drops every day.
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Horses still need to be trained though...and that's the point, or so I thought.
But they do not have to race.

If they do, is it so outrageous for a CUSTOMER to ask that the information be provided to him? They do have a changes page on the website - over weight, scratches, track conditions......it can be put on there?
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Old 07-11-2018, 02:14 PM   #63
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Have you seen the graph of the winning exacta? It falls from $63 a few minutes before post to around $50, then drops to $25 after the break.
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Tom, I got stuff to do for a bit, maybe I can catch it on archive later on. Thanks.
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Also, the double into favored (and eventual winner) Limousine Liberal:

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Old 07-11-2018, 02:15 PM   #66
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Have you seen the graph of the winning exacta? It falls from $63 a few minutes before post to around $50, then drops to $25 after the break.
Yes...but did other exacta combinations decline similarly at the same time? Don't the "computer teams" bet MANY combinations...in order to cover all the overlays on the board? Are these guys "handicappers"...or FORTUNE-TELLERS?
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Here's a question for you, Jay, and it is clear what the rule states. No doubt.

How do you know that Leanna Williford DOES NOT have her trainer's license?

Give it some thought. She has been doing this for over 20 years. Maybe, I'm wrong, but not all trainers especially females want to venture out on their own. Some are quite comfortable where they are.
Grits..When i was an asst. in NY and my trainer was suspended, i had to go to racing commission and upgrade to trainer along with proof of workers comp. When my trainers suspension was up, i then had to move my license back to asst. as the rules were that two licensed trainers could not work together under the same barn. I am sure that is what Leanna will be required to do. Plus i doubt she put up the money for the workers comp...
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Have you seen the graph of the winning exacta? It falls from $63 a few minutes before post to around $50, then drops to $25 after the break.
The Dwyer exacta? Are you kidding me? Did other combinations drop with FF winning or just that one? Wow.....
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Here's a question for you, Jay, and it is clear what the rule states. No doubt.

How do you know that Leanna Williford DOES NOT have her trainer's license?

Give it some thought. She has been doing this for over 20 years. Maybe, I'm wrong, but not all trainers especially females want to venture out on their own. Some are quite comfortable where they are.
Not the point.
If Jesus Christ were taking over for Mott, I want to know he is only there for that reason and that the horses are going back to Mott. Are we afraid the Russians will use top secret information for some nefarious purposes?
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The thing that is hurting this game the most, IMO...is that there is no independent investigative journalism in this game. No matter what grave injustice is committed in this game, the tendency is to try and whitewash it...because all the remaining "journalistic" outlets have their own financial futures directly related to the financial wellbeing of the game. What incentive does the DRF have to report about these disturbing issues on the front page...when the end result would be enraging the horseplayer to the extent where he might take a long hiatus from the sport...causing the DRF to possibly lose a customer?
I understand it. It's unfortunate because this kind of reporting ends up landing in the "speculation" category as there will never be proof, at least as it relates to exposing cheaters. Not sure many journalistic outlets want to both cut their own throats along with sticking their already bleeding neck out into the speculation ether.
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The Dwyer exacta? Are you kidding me? Did other combinations drop with FF winning or just that one? Wow.....
According to Ed it was all the combos:

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Not the point.
If Jesus Christ were taking over for Mott, I want to know he is only there for that reason and that the horses are going back to Mott. Are we afraid the Russians will use top secret information for some nefarious purposes?
Can you imagine educating a newbie on this game. Having them understand all of these things? We forget how complicated all of this really is.
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Old 07-11-2018, 02:25 PM   #73
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Metro's post earlier in the thread from the Finley article explained that there were two other horses whose odds dropped as well, so it's possible money was spread around by a team. Or maybe not. Which I suppose is your point, that the regular guy doesn't know. It seems like the longer I play, the less I know.

In a way it ties in with the Mott/assistant trainer discussion here. I think everyone respects Bill Mott, and I'm sure anyone working for him for 20 years is great at their job. No one views him as a "cheater". But it doesn't invalidate the point that for the regular player not in the know, we don't know who is training the horse. And this happens way too often. We've got insiders who know, and the majority of us who don't, and that's why the number of people who care about the game drops every day.
I read metro's earlier post...but the proof isn't there that the 60K late wager was placed by a computer group. If metro is right, and the computer group had a betting interest in 3 horses in that race...then, why did the late-late money avoid the other 2 horses?
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According to Ed it was all the combos:

https://twitter.com/EJXD2/status/1016337576775569413
Got to be kidding me. So this horse was bet as if could not lose. It ran as if it was radiating battery acid. How could this possibly be someone without inside knowledge? C'mon, are we all really that collectively naive? No way!
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According to Ed it was all the combos:

https://twitter.com/EJXD2/status/1016337576775569413
It was all the combinations involving FF in the win spot. But we've been told that these computer groups don't focus on a single horse in the win spot. They supposedly play the "percentage game".
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