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09-24-2018, 02:01 PM
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The "Deep State" definitely exists if by deep state you mean people inside and outside of government (outside meaning media and private interests) that share the similar political goals working together to sway public opinion and undermine the will of the people if they aren't on the same page. That includes lying, planting false stories in the media, spinning facts, leaking information, false flag operations etc... They are basically undermining the democracy because they think they know better.
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09-24-2018, 02:07 PM
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Originally Posted by classhandicapper
The "Deep State" definitely exists if by deep state you mean people inside and outside of government (outside meaning media and private interests) that share the similar political goals working together to sway public opinion and undermine the will of the people if they aren't on the same page. That includes lying, planting false stories in the media, spinning facts, leaking information, false flag operations etc... They are basically undermining the democracy because they think they know better.
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A start, but still very nebulous...you see one cannot adequately define deep state without calling out specifically the groups or families (of groups) involved and their specific objectives...so can you be more specific and really try to nail it down...?
On top of it, each specific country is likely to have different constellation of what a Deep State is there... https://www.theatlantic.com/internat...-state/517221/
“Be careful playing with the deep-state idea, because it can so easily get out of control that it becomes a monster that helps whoever’s in charge curb freedom and intimidate dissidents, because it’s such a nebulous concept,” said Soner Cagaptay, who directs the Turkish Research Program at the Washington Institute for Near East Policy. “You don't have to prove that it exists. Once [the notion is] out there, and the public starts to believe it, anybody can be attached to it.”
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09-24-2018, 02:13 PM
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Unelected officials affecting the results of our government.
Like those who took papers off Trump's desk.
Like Comey, totally operating outside of is authority
Like the FBI STROKE who biased an investigation.
Members of the DOJ slow-walking Trump's order to release materials.
Deep State is not at difficult to see or define.
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09-24-2018, 02:13 PM
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My guess is he is working out an arrangement for his resignation in exchange for no prosecution of him. That would be the smart move on his part.
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09-24-2018, 02:16 PM
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09-24-2018, 02:19 PM
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What circus?
Seems the WH knows what it is doing.
YOU seem a bit confused.
LEt me 'splain it to you.
The press is supposed to REPORT what happens, not explain why what happened was not what THEY though would happen.
FOX is just as guilty here, btw.
Lesson to ALL of he media here - know your roles and shut your holes. You report the news, period.
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09-24-2018, 02:57 PM
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This is a total bullshit story.
Fashion/culture mag really is wired in...as is Axios...LMAO
Literally, the MSM is just making shit up out of thin air. Must be PANIC IN DC!!
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09-24-2018, 03:00 PM
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Rosenstein=Dead Man walking
POTUS has Yuge leverage now. Rosie knows all, he wants to resign but is not allowed.
The gun on the nightstand calls.
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09-24-2018, 03:06 PM
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Originally Posted by VigorsTheGrey
A start, but still very nebulous...you see one cannot adequately define deep state without calling out specifically the groups or families (of groups) involved and their specific objectives...so can you be more specific and really try to nail it down...?
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It's impossible to name everyone in government and the IC because we don't know them all. But CNN, MSNBC, NY Times, and the Washington Post have all obviously been the beneficiary of leaks from inside government from both democrats and republicans that are trying to prevent Trump from blowing up the status quo and redefining the democrat and republican parties. The "establishment" wants to go back to business as usual. Regardless of whether you agree with him or not, Trump is trying to change that. So "they" are trying to destroy him.
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09-24-2018, 03:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Tom
Seems the WH knows what it is doing.
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President Trump doesnt know his left from his right. Yes he's dumb.
doesnt even know he lost the popular vote to Hillary.
Thinks there were 5,000,000 illegal votes. LOL. Yep he sure knows his stuff.
Ever see "our cartoon president". Best series in years.
Allan
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09-24-2018, 03:13 PM
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Originally Posted by woodtoo
Rosenstein=Dead Man walking
POTUS has Yuge leverage now. Rosie knows all, he wants to resign but is not allowed.
The gun on the nightstand calls.
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Poor Rod has the distinct pleasure of outing which parties have their pants down FURTHEST: I say pardon both sides, and let’s all get on with the dirty business of running an intractably corrupt country...so what’s new...
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09-24-2018, 03:13 PM
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Originally Posted by biggestal99
President Trump doesnt know his left from his right. Yes he's dumb.
doesnt even know he lost the popular vote to Hillary.
Thinks there were 5,000,000 illegal votes. LOL. Yep he sure knows his stuff.
Ever see "our cartoon president". Best series in years.
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You must hate yourself and the whole world, all because of one dumb, ass, your President Donald J. Trump.
Must suck huh?
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09-24-2018, 03:16 PM
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Originally Posted by classhandicapper
It's impossible to name everyone in government and the IC because we don't know them all. But CNN, MSNBC, NY Times, and the Washington Post have all obviously been the beneficiary of leaks from inside government from both democrats and republicans that are trying to prevent Trump from blowing up the status quo and redefining the democrat and republican parties. The "establishment" wants to go back to business as usual. Regardless of whether you agree with him or not, Trump is trying to change that. So "they" are trying to destroy him.
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So do you agree or not that this is what is really going on... https://www.google.com/search?q=deep...EqkL7yOv_bCHM:
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09-24-2018, 03:18 PM
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Originally Posted by VigorsTheGrey
Poor Rod has the distinct pleasure of outing which parties have their pants down FURTHEST: I say pardon both sides, and let’s all get on with the dirty business of running an intractably corrupt country...so what’s new...
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President Trump is NEW thats the difference.
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