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02-23-2021, 01:27 AM
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#8821
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Registered User
Join Date: May 2004
Location: New Hampshire
Posts: 14,478
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Originally Posted by thaskalos
I, personally, don't see the similarity here. The smoker is asking for it...because he readily admits that his smoking habit will eventually kill him. He can hardly call himself a "victim" of the disease which will prematurely end his life. In fact...his death could be called a "slow suicide". The same cannot be said about the coronavirus sufferer. One death is a tragedy, while the other is not...IMO.
Who can help the person who doesn't want to help himself?
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I think many Covid-19 deaths are from a time when everyone smoked, and 2020 many who were going to pass on anyway found this respiratory illness the grim reaper.
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02-23-2021, 09:00 AM
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#8822
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$2 Showbettor
Join Date: Dec 2013
Location: The Villages
Posts: 2,578
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Rex Phinney
In Vegas you can't get into a casino without a mask, but once you're in you can remove the mask to smoke.
Just let that sink in.........
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Many casinos have good venilation systems because they built these to handle tobacco smoke.
https://www.casinoair.com/clearing-the-air/
So you have a better chance of dying from covid at your home family gathering than you do at a casinos.
We have smokers to thank for this.
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02-23-2021, 09:02 AM
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#8823
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Registered User
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Boston+Ocala
Posts: 23,760
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Redboard
Many casinos have good venilation systems because they built these to handle tobacco smoke.
https://www.casinoair.com/clearing-the-air/
So you have a better chance of dying from covid at your home family gathering than you do at a casinos.
We have smokers to thank for this.
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the ceilings are much higher in casino's as well
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02-23-2021, 10:37 AM
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#8824
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Registered User
Join Date: Dec 2011
Posts: 4,285
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Quote:
Originally Posted by thaskalos
I, personally, don't see the similarity here. The smoker is asking for it...because he readily admits that his smoking habit will eventually kill him. He can hardly call himself a "victim" of the disease which will prematurely end his life. In fact...his death could be called a "slow suicide". The same cannot be said about the coronavirus sufferer. One death is a tragedy, while the other is not...IMO.
Who can help the person who doesn't want to help himself?
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Are metabolically unfit people victims or someone who doesn't want to help themselves? When will unhealthy lifestyles achieve smoking status?
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02-23-2021, 11:28 AM
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#8825
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Registered User
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Queens, NY
Posts: 20,612
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Quote:
Originally Posted by AndyC
Are metabolically unfit people victims or someone who doesn't want to help themselves? When will unhealthy lifestyles achieve smoking status?
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Not enough has been written or said about comorbidities being a huge factor in the deaths. That's especially significant when it comes to younger people dying. A LOT of that has to do with obesity leading to diabetes, heart problems, conditioning problems, and other health issues.
We have everything backwards in this country. We try to find ways to treat the diseases that often come from our own behavior. We should be trying to change our behavior so we reduce disease until much later in life.
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02-23-2021, 11:40 AM
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#8826
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Registered User
Join Date: May 2011
Posts: 22,649
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Quote:
Originally Posted by classhandicapper
Not enough has been written or said about comorbidities being a huge factor in the deaths. That's especially significant when it comes to younger people dying. A LOT of that has to do with obesity leading to diabetes, heart problems, conditioning problems, and other health issues.
We have everything backwards in this country. We try to find ways to treat the diseases that often come from our own behavior. We should be trying to change our behavior so we reduce disease until much later in life.
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That is due to medical training and the pharmaceutical industry.
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02-23-2021, 12:02 PM
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#8827
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velocitician
Join Date: Aug 2004
Posts: 26,296
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Amazingly proficient vaccination set up last night when we all got the first Pfizer shot.
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02-23-2021, 12:22 PM
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#8828
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PA Steward
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: Del Boca Vista
Posts: 88,626
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Quote:
Originally Posted by AndyC
Are metabolically unfit people victims or someone who doesn't want to help themselves? When will unhealthy lifestyles achieve smoking status?
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Excellent point.
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02-23-2021, 12:23 PM
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#8829
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Registered User
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Boston+Ocala
Posts: 23,760
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Quote:
Originally Posted by lamboguy
for Sunday, February 21, 2021
57,000 cases
1200 deaths
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for Monday, February 22, 2021
59,000 cases
1400 deaths
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02-23-2021, 12:51 PM
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#8830
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Registered User
Join Date: May 2011
Posts: 22,649
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 46zilzal
Amazingly proficient vaccination set up last night when we all got the first Pfizer shot.
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thank goodness Biden made vaccines, set up distribution and delivery systems in the last 4 weeks since taking over.
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02-23-2021, 12:57 PM
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#8831
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Registered User
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Western NY
Posts: 5,336
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Quote:
Originally Posted by davew
thank goodness Biden made vaccines, set up distribution and delivery systems in the last 4 weeks since taking over.
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He deserves a Nobel Peace prize for his accomplishments.
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02-23-2021, 02:53 PM
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#8832
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PA Steward
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: Del Boca Vista
Posts: 88,626
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02-23-2021, 03:00 PM
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#8833
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Registered User
Join Date: Jan 2006
Posts: 28,554
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Quote:
Originally Posted by AndyC
Are metabolically unfit people victims or someone who doesn't want to help themselves? When will unhealthy lifestyles achieve smoking status?
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I have become a health fanatic...but I can't even convert the members of my immediate family. So...what chance have I got of influencing any "outsider"? Human beings are a sorry lot...IMO. We take care of our cars and our pets...but we neglect our bodies.
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02-23-2021, 03:56 PM
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#8834
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Registered User
Join Date: Dec 2011
Posts: 4,285
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Quote:
Originally Posted by thaskalos
I have become a health fanatic...but I can't even convert the members of my immediate family. So...what chance have I got of influencing any "outsider"? Human beings are a sorry lot...IMO. We take care of our cars and our pets...but we neglect our bodies.
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As a fellow health fanatic I have found that very few people want to hear about what things they can do to try and enhance their health, but come illness they seem to all want to know about what magical supplement will make everything right.
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02-23-2021, 08:50 PM
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#8835
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Registered User
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Boston+Ocala
Posts: 23,760
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Quote:
Originally Posted by lamboguy
for Monday, February 22, 2021
59,000 cases
1400 deaths
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for Tuesday February 23, 2021
71,000 cases
2400 deaths
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